Otome-chan

There's a difference between understanding "this isn't going to be what it looks like, it'll look like wood" and actually being able to visualize and "see" the wood version in your head prior to completion.

So looking at your grey version, someone with aphantasia (who isn't a moron) might be like "I can't visualize/imagine it as wood, could I see what that looks like?", as in they understand it will be wood, but may have no clue what that actually looks like until it's in front of them.

What you're describing just sounds like a run of the mill idiot who also may have aphantasia.

yup. I thought I had aphantasia for a while because of this. Turns out, no. People with aphantasia can't even do that #2 type. They're just completely incapable of handling images or 3d scenes in their mind at all.

So I'm firmly in type 2. I can close my eyes and just see black/the back of my eyelids. No matter how hard I try I will never be able to "override" my actual vision. Instead, I have a sort of "mental" model in my brain which can handle imagery and 3d scenes and such, but it's very different in experience than my actual vision. The two don't overlap at all for me.

"ghostly" is how I'd describe it, but it's really a different set of qualia altogether, not a "faint" version of my vision.

But yeah as you mention a few comments here kinda makes it sound like it's just a matter of practicing visualization (trying to create objects within my actual field of vision, as well as "emphasize" or "focus" on my #2 visualization). I'll have to spend time seeing if I can practice it...

Both 2 and 3 can mentally manipulate objects in 3D. I have type 2 as I mentioned, but I can do full 3d rotations and such. It's just a "minds eye" kinda thing and not like i'm actually seeing it with my eyes. That makes it kinda difficult to line up my minds eye comprehension with the actual world I see in front of me. whereas people with prophantasia or that third type, should have no issues lining up their visualization with their actual vision.

Right. "prophantasia" is a word used to refer to that "it's like you're actually seeing it", whereas visualization for me isn't like that and it's more like what you described, a sort of mental idea, like I can think of and mentally understand imagery, but it's not like I'm actually looking at it with my eyes (like when I see things or am in a lucid dream).

It seems some people with visualization do this "minds eye" kinda thing, and the some have that "it's like you're seeing" type.

This is what I have. basically not aphantasia (we can still manipulate visual imagery in our brains) but it's also not prophantasia which is essentially just seeing, but with thoughts.

From my amateur independent digging I actually found people fall into three groups on this, not two:

1. Aphantasia - Not being able to visualize 8at all*

2. What I consider "regular" visualization, ie a "minds eye" or "back of the mind" sort of thing, that's distinctly different from how you normally see visually with your eyes.

3. Prophantasia - In which you can visualize things that appear to you how simply looking at something would appear.

I saw someone on reddit apparently go from aphantasia to prophantasia but people were calling BS on them. I'm in group 2 myself and would love to be able to do prophantasia. So I'm curious if anyone has managed it?

If unemployment is 10%, then the actual amount of people who aren't employed anywhere is 50%. Because the laborforce participation rate is only 60% of the population.

They realize 40% of the population isn't employed, right?

yes. I haven't played the game so idk the details of what's up. but at 1k+ planet-sized spaces it's hard to have a team go over that by hand. Planets are large. But I have no doubt that bethesda team was probably super lazy as well.

typo of google.

I didn't say it's impossible. Just that it's harder, takes deliberate effort, etc. For AAA games they don't bother with that kind of thing because it's larger expense and larger risk.