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Thanks of the Society were voted to JR. Knight , Esq., for a Collection of Hone- Stones and Grind- Stones , presented by him ; together with the following Descriptive Catalogue of them

I stumbled upon this recently when looking through my old Reddit posts. That was years ago and I'm still left curious about "Cutler's Green".

Also at archive.org

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That certainly doesn't sound super healthy! And I remembered another one: I think at one point molten lead was used for hardening steel? Bet that has some lovely fumes too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

That's just my own bias. I really don't like videos with a lot of talking and use them mainly on mute just to see a visual demo of what I'm trying to understand. To that end when I was learning how to use a straight razor six or so years ago the video I found most instructive was this one without any speaking at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9DT0qB3hc

Also there's a tonne more videos to sift through. I'm happy if someone wants to curate a selection of them but would hope it's a separate section from the texts.

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I've lately sold a few of my razors and again find myself spending longer than I really intend sharing my subjective opinion on what new users ought to do with them. Of course there are guides out there (and plenty of videos but I'm happy to leave that part to others) but somehow I still feel compelled so I might end up writing one of my own. In order to combat this, I'm trying to gather a comprehensive list of contemporary guides and maybe pick a favourite.

I've tried to exclude any that are too superficial, just copied/summarised/LLM'd from elsewhere, or have outright bad advice. Did I miss any good ones? Did I include any I shoudn't have? Let me know and I'll try and keep this updated.

Overall (some incl. honing)

Honing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Aha! I knew it! I had this trepidation when I sold this one https://pixelfed.social/i/web/post/748289303255129698 especially because they also took this very similar one https://pixelfed.social/i/web/post/748289996039802817 ...and I guess it's probably for the best I abandon the foolish notions I had when I listed this https://imgur.com/a/mardor-z12y8cw and it was especially foolhardy to have ever considered parting with https://imgur.com/a/chassaigne-k0Fy4tt 🤔

But it's also satisfying to set a new bevel, just not the same if it was already shaving fine (not to mention wasteful). And honing as a service seems less relaxing for myriad reasons. So compromises must be made. Thankfully(?) I've slowed a fair bit since the initial burst when I was getting into it, settling into a bit of an equilibrium with a handful in and out each year.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My honing enthusiasm provided too much rationalisation for razor acquisition and so I have ...several. The winnowing process is ongoing and I'm proud to have sold 5 x 5/8 last week.

6/8 is harder because I like them more. Lately I'm wondering: Do I really need two 6/8 hollow-but-stiff round point French blades?

I'm partial to the Grelot. I do appreciate that it's a bit more hollow and as a Canadian I enjoy the etch. Plus it's my only nice Grelot and there's some cachet there. And it's in better shape. But there's just something to the TI and it's similarly my best TI and the pitting isn't anywhere important so just sorta adds character. And it's more towards a quarter hollow so ...sort of a different thing altogether?

Inconclusive. More study required. Luckily they don't take a lot of space.

Also: I'm always curious to see the grind toe-on every time I see a picture of a straight razor and that shot should somehow always be included in the metadata or something :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Two other strop makers that seem well regarded and I keep almost buying from are Tony Miller https://heirloomrazorstrop.com/ and Torolf Myklebust https://www.scrupleworks.com/

I find the linen component useful for cleaning up a fresh edge and that actual linen seems to work better for this (and my experience mirrors others that it's particularly noticeable with coticule edges). An acquaintance with a bit of leatherworking skill fashioned me one from some webbing I found on etsy from a link at B&B: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/780497457/linen-tape-by-yard-7cm-wide-tape?ref=yr_purchases

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ha, my first strop made it through unscathed. My first nick was on my second strop once I'd had it a while and gotten complacent. Complacency is what really kills strops so I look at it as meditation and try to be present with it, and indeed whenever I'm waving a fragile and very sharp edge around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I prefer a 2.5" strop. You should be doing a lightly rolling X stroke anyway to ensure good contact and many straight razors aren't quite straight so it's useful to be able to hang the tip off a bit if it's subtly bent. Plus on my 3" strop it sorta bothers me that there's this whole area on the toe side not getting any wear. Maybe if it was a reversible design so I could rotate it as I go...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oof ya I bet there was a lot of CO poisoning before we understood that. Maybe from forges for hardening?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

@[email protected] had a good guess with the metal dust. Maybe lead if they're making wedges there as well or who knows what randomly toxic stuff they were using at that point to dress the leather in stropping wheels and whatever other process they had. Seems lung related somehow though since fans made the difference. I did actually try searching archive.org for that "Fourth Report of the Children’s Employment Commission" back before it got hacked but wasn't able to find anything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would be sad as I enjoy this little corner of the server. If you look at the front of this sub it's a well curated (ha I'm biased) collection of interesting tidbits on this topic of some fascination to me and I feel like I'm building on something when I post to it. Whereas if I put it on the main page it's there for a bit then it vanished into the sea of daily and misc threads. And I also find it gratifying that at least a couple of others have gotten the spirit of it and posted things that fit right in.

Doesn't bother me at all that it operates on a scale of weeks and months and this feels more fun than a blog though I suppose it's verging on one. I think it's fairly discoverable too because you'll see these posts when you're viewing the local feed and most who are interested in the sort of thing that's here will have subscribed. This checks out since the main sub has 11 users/day, 36/week and yet this post from 7 hours ago already has 10 points.

So I don't know about varied subs in general but I feel attached to this one.

 

I was researching some razors to put up for sale and was reminded of a sad story I saw on James Bingham's Hawley entry:

He was interviewed by a government commission on child labour, when he stated that when he was ‘first in the trade the average age of razor grinders at death was 34’. He said that exhaust fans had improved matters, so that ‘we have some men of good age. The effect of the work depends very much on the temperance of the workers’

...we really don't fully appreciate the labour standards we have, wow.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Coooooool. Thanks for sharing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This seems like a really nice size, good compromise between heft/lather handling and agility. Plus I like the jimping on it. Somehow I suspect you'll hang on to this one.

And ya, wow, did you stumble onto a hidden cache of underappreciated and underpriced blades or did you set out to expand your collection like this?

 

I was chatting with someone about Ern razors and mentioned seeing that he'd invented a better way to do hollow grinds. Found the link I remembered (Carl Friedrich Ern & family introduced the "Hexe" machine in 1893) but learned something new when I thought to look for one on Youtube: a current artisan (Ertan Süer) has acquired such a machine and is using it for some of his current production.

 

A lot of the books on straight razors are well out of copyright. However, copyright does go back an absurdly long way and covers even the 1950s when they were still in relatively common use. The Internet Archive lends use of books based on how many they physically have in some warehousing arrangement and so you can borrow this one by the hour.

This seems like it was is in common use training barbers (and may still be -- there seems to be an edition still in print) and being towards the tail end of when straights were prevalent offers a different perspective from the older works.

 

Ran into this by chance, pretty interesting: I was a little surprised both by the circles and the 1:1 ratio between omote/ura. Also interesting is how he uses a diamond pasted strop seemingly not to refine the edge but more just to deburr it.

 

I think two straights is quite justifiable, you might use up an edge and need to shave before you have time to hone. And two identical ones is a good way to compare hones--same razor, different edge. I have a pair I use like that.

More? Well, you'll find there is quite a big difference in how a wedge shaves from how a hollow shaves. And there are many grinds in between. Plus there are framebacks! Some framebacks are thin like a hollow but don't quite have the same flex, others shave pretty much like a wedge. Not to mention interestingly shaped tapered blades, lancets, monkey tails...

And maybe you have a 6/8 and wonder how an 4/8 or 8/8+ width would be? They're certainly going to be different and it's very subjective which is better! But then maybe you like a wide hollow and a narrow wedge? The reverse? Only one way to tell...

Perhaps you wonder how American, English, French, Swedish, German and Japanese razors differ? I sure did...

Maybe you were curious what they were like in the 1920s vs. the 1960s. Or the 1800s. Or the 1700s.

Or you'd like scales made from bone or ivory or tortoise or mother-of-pearl? Or something cool etched on the blade? Or a modern custom from Koraat or HG or Artrazor or Gipson or Ali's Blade or any of hundreds of worthy artisans keeping this craft going?

I've always been a minimalist. I've never felt the appeal of collecting anything. It started out as trying to find which one works best for me so I could get a really good one of those, but I kinda liked them all. I ...think I collect straight razors now? It just sorta happened 🤷‍♂️

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(sub) domain name (sub.wetshaving.social)
 

With the Lemmy instance seeming like it's perhaps getting more uptake than Mastodon is there a chance that if that continues it might one day become the top level wetshaving.social or is it doomed to always be sub.wetshaving.social 'cause it's perhaps really fiddly to change domains around once entrenched?

 

So, typically, I try to hone through any pitting to get a clean edge. I might tolerate some on the bevel, but not right near the edge where the stresses of shaving and stropping might cause it to collapse and break that nice clean line.

However...

I have this one razor. I used it today. I quite like it: it has very little wear and was well ground so it has a very thin bevel. It shaves well and it holds an edge. Indeed, it's one of the few edges I've put a dozen shaves on. But I have a confession: I left a tiny pit at the edge. Because there was probably going to be another and another and... well, usually I'd just take some metal off until we were in reasonable steel. I didn't want to this time, so I left all this (which you can only see at all on one side):

...and while I had a mostly clean edge, it did have a small pit at the edge. But nothing major, it's not a serrated knife or anything. So I went with it to see what happened. Every shave I made a point to see if the heel was giving me more irritation than elsewhere on the blade or anything like that and ...nah. It's fine.

Which reminded me of this post at Science of Sharp where you can see, based on the scale, how very much bigger a hair is than a razor edge. And I think my skin is at least as thick as a hair or I'd be bleeding way more often. A quick search confirms even the thinnest skin (eyelids apparently) has something like 50 microns of epidermis.

So maybe I shouldn't be so surprised that I can't notice a difference from some tiny pit on the edge? Maybe I should more often err on the side of leaving steel on a nice blade even if it's not so great?

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