Doomerism doesn't help, but doom is what we've chosen.
We gleefully voted for it, in fact.
Time to suffer.
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Lol.
Too late.
Palestine will cease to exist.
Why?
Because Donald Trump only helps those who he can directly benefit from. Palestine cannot benefit him. Israel can.
If you want to help Palestine, build a time machine, go back in time, and tell every liberal/independent fool who voted 3rd party or abstained from voting over the whole Palestine thing to do the smart thing instead.
Elections have consequences, and every last American is about to find that out the real hard way.
Ok, before I even get into this, are you aware that to the left of your question mark button is a button that has a right facing arrow, and if you put that right facing arrow in front of any of my quotes you don't have to put quotations marks around my quotes in your responses and it makes your comments WAY easier to read by separating them from mine with a visual marker? Allow me to teach you.
what do you think scenarios are?
I mean, there are realistic scenarios and non-realistic scenarios. When we're talking about an election and I say we ended up in the worst timeline, clearly I'm not talking about all possible fantastic timelines like all humans spontaneously growing a third arm on their foreheads.
Just to keep it simple, literally 4 years ago when everyone assumed Trump was inevitably going to win
But this isn't the same situation. Trump came out of left field and won and no one, including himself, was prepared. And he still managed to create significant chaos and implement changes that have long-term effects. But he also had the highest White House administration turnover rate in history. It wasn't an effective administration at all, which kept it from causing even more damage. Now they have had years to plan. Years to find the people they want in the positions they want them in. They have policy detailing how they're going to dismantle our government and rebuild it in their image. And they openly ran on that policy.
Pick up a history book. Hitler got curb stomped the first time he gained some power and went to prison. Had time to plan some things. Came back and took power and....well...yeah.
This is a much more concerted, detailed effort than the last unplanned for clusterfuck. It is guaranteed that they will do anything and everything while in TOTAL control of our government in order to prevent them from losing any future election. They have paths to effectively make it impossible for a Democrat win. Legislation can be passed to change gerrymandering rules to give them an even bigger advantage than they already have. They have made it abundantly clear that they have no concern for norms or rules in general if those rules don't benefit them.
you don’t understand how the legal system works even at a basic level.
Illuminate me. Please. Instead of just saying I don't, explain to me what I don't understand that makes anything I've said not a real, valid concern.
Laws only work if they are enforced. It is enshrined in our Constitution that presidents must divest from their businesses while in office. The Republican party flagrantly dismissed that directive for Donald Trump. Laws can be broken without repercussion if not enforced. They are now in control of all branches of our government. You think Republicans are going to enforce laws on themselves when we already know they're not willing to do so? Or that they won't legislate the laws that don't benefit them out of existence?
he’s a 34 time convicted felon, he’s already had to pay $100 million and lost multiple court cases.
Can you provide proof to me that he has already paid E. Jean Carroll $100 million? Losing a court case is not justice if there is no punishment actually enforced. Can you point to any actual repercussions that have actually taken place for Donald Trump for any crime he has committed in recent memory? I'm fully aware, as you are, that he was originally fined $5 million for raping E. Jean Carroll, and then fined an extra $90 million for defaming her. Can you provide proof that sum has already been paid to E. Jean Carroll?
he literally was held accountable multiple times already and he’s still under indictment in many cases with more upcoming.
Again, being held accountable is paying for your crimes, not having a judge read off your sentencing in a courtroom. And what do you believe will happen to his other cases now that he's been crowned king? There's really no way for us to know yet, but the likliehood that they will go away just skyrocketed. Because some of what he's indicted for comes with jail time if convicted. Do you honestly believe a sitting president, whose party now has total control of our government, will have to report to prison, especially with the SC's recent broad decision about presidential immunity?
you’re completely wrong and ignorant of his legal status and his past consequences.
Past consequences? Like, are we going back decades here? Like when he lost a case for discriminating against black renters decades ago? I'm talking about his modern crimes. What ACTUAL repercussions has he suffered? He pay that $100 mil yet?
how?
that makes no sense.
you mean this one person was literally never elected to a second term at the exact moment in history?
If you don't grasp how what we're experiencing is unprecedented in American history, I'm not sure how much I can help you.
We have a party that has been taken over by extremists. I've been around long enough to confirm to you that the Republican party now is absolutely not the Republican party of the past. It is being taken over by extremists. By conspiracy theorists. Their officials helped spread a lie about our democratic institutions that resulted in an attempted insurrection on our government. They voted not to certify the 2020 election. They ran a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who illegally attempted to overturn an election and ran on "dealing with the enemy within" and HE WON. That criminal and extremist party now fully controls our federal government.
THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED.
think about all these basic facts you’ve been wrong about just talking to one guy on the internet.
You haven't proven me wrong on a single thing. The only thing you stated was that I didn't know how our legal system worked without explaining to me why you think I'm wrong. Saying someone is wrong is not proving someone is wrong. You think I'm wrong about Trump not suffering consequences? He hasn't. Prove to me he has since first taking office in 2016.
The figurehead matters, you just lack the historical knowledge and context to see that.
Yes, and he already did his job and put his party back in power. Do you honestly think that all conservative policy and efforts stop when Trump dies? Are you insane? He wouldn't be who he is without the party that backed him. That party remains when he is gone and they've proven to be just as unethical and volatile as him BY SUPPORTING HIM UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.
you’re lucky i like teaching.
Please don't do it professionally. You are extremely bad at it. You don't even know how to use basic keyboard functions that work on Lemmy or Reddit so your replies to me don't look like one long run on paragraph with no clear seprations between what you're saying and my quotes.
again, it is illogical and absurd to believe in timelines and also believe there are only two.
It's time to let this go. Being an edgelord never works in your favor when having a debate. Everyone but you understands what I was talking about. You're being a contrarian and that's only something people bad at debating do.
expand your mind.
Expand your knowledge regarding how to properly use this site's functions to make your replies not look like garbled trash.
you sound like you’re pouting but desperate to learn more from me.
I'm talking to a person so ignorant that they don't understand what's unprecedented about the political situation we find ourselves in. I assure you, I have nothing to learn from you.
Roberts, Thomas et al would keel over from heart attacks, Trump would have an attack of conscience and elect compassionate, wise judges.
I was talking about best case scenarios in reality, not fantasy.
there’s just too much historical evidence going against your theory of defeatist inevitability/futility
Such as?
many of dumps past, current and upcoming cases definitively do not have to do with his presidency and occurred outside of his presidency completely.
Do you honestly think that matters now? Everything we've seen up to this point suggests that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes and that was BEFORE being crowned king. He will not be held accountable for any of his crimes. You can take me to the bank on that one.
this has happened uncountable times throughout just US history
What we are experiencing now is entirely unprecedented in U.S. history.
not really. Trump didn’t get fined $100 million and lose two court cases solely because of the will of the people.
Has he, thus far, suffered the repercussions of these cases?
already seen it a few times
Being convicted of a crime is not justice if one does not end up suffering repercussions along with those convictions.
this is ridiculous and has zero evidence to support it.
If Trump dies or becomes incapacitated, he is replaced by JD Vance and business as usual resumes. Nothing changes. GOP still calling the shots. Trump is a useful idiot. Nothing more. His presence doesn't matter now that he's completed his primary objective, which was to get the GOP back in power.
that this is not the worst timeline was obvious to me.
It is the worst timeline of the two that were available to us. I'm not entertaining timelines in which aliens invade or Big Foot runs for governor. I was talking about the two realistic timelines diverging because of the 2024 election. I didn't think I needed to specify, but apparently I did for the contrarians out there.
you believe in timelines, but you believe there are only two at any specific moment?
Let it go. Being an edgelord isn't necessary here.
oh yeah. almost all Americans. but you know they voted for it so…
Here is where we agree. 2016 could be chalked up to people being desperate for change and choosing to gamble on an unknown. Although to anyone that bothered to know anything about Donald Trump, he wasn't an unknown and we knew it would be an awful mistake. And he didn't win the popular vote, so he was forced on us by a minority. However, in 2024, we gleefully placed him back in power with a majority. This is squarely on Americans and we absolutely deserve the suffering that's coming. People in other countries that will be affected by this don't though.
The good news is that no one is hurt more by conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives. But I'm sure they'll find someone else to blame once the real suffering sets in. They always do.
definitely sucks right now, but this could spur Supreme Court reform or election reform
Even under the best circumstances reforming the SC would be extremely unlikely because it would require a super majority. Same with election reform. Our government, in its entirety, will now be run by extremists who literally ran on deconstructing our government and replacing it with something in their image. The way our government has worked our entire lives is likely over.
Trump could get convicted or impeached on one of the many cases he has coming up
Trump is effectively king now. SC made him immune to any and all prosecution while president. Laws only work if the will of the people make them work. The majority of Americans just crowned a king. They aren't going to make those laws work. You will not see justice for Trump's crimes now. That possibility is gone.
he could die, he could fully go dementia,
Doesn't matter. He will be replaced and nothing about this timeline will change.
I don’t think this is the worst timeline. there are way worse timelines.
I mean, obviously. But considering the two timelines we had an option to be on, we chose the worst. And it's going to be very, very bad for average Americans.
But "businessman good", right?
Lol. We're a nation of utter failures.
Yup. The Confederacy won this time. Prepare yourself for a bleak future.
Yup. As long as the Supreme Court is controlled by an ultra-conservative majority it's game over. They ultimately decide America's trajectory. And this election basically cemented that majority for the rest of our lives.
We just placed ourselves on the worst timeline.
No it won't.
The poster above had it right. The law only works if the will of the people make it work. Same applies to the Constitution.
Public schools in the bible belt have been teaching creationism and putting the ten commandments in their classrooms. Do you think the New Order we just elected are going to go out of their way to enforce the Constitution and make them stop doing things like that?
Be prepared for FLAGRANT violations of the Constitution in the coming years. I mean come on, the guy we just elected illegally attempted to overturn the last election and is a convicted felon.
It's over. America lost.
Not only did we squarely place ourselves on the path of economic/social decline for the foreseeable future, but we also just guaranteed that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes.
We have utterly failed as citizens in a democratic society.
Buckle up. It gets much, much worse from here.
Trump goes full crazy and openly backs Russian expansionism.
This is exactly what will happen.
Trump's primary trait is to only help people that serve his personal interests. Putin does that. We can kiss Ukraine goodbye (one less democracy in the world) and we will now have to worry about Russia expanding and threatening Europe.
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Yup. Average Americans are going to lose so much of what little power we had over the next handful of years. Hope we're all happy we chose this for ourselves.