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Problem is lumping in his problems with other mental health problems that are nothing like his, worsening the stigma.

many people are not willing to trade cake now

Honestly, I think it's not about willingness. There are so many people who try and try and try but relapse over and over again. There's a reason why diets are so popular (even if they don't work long-term). It has become an entire market. Losing weight is not easy, because at the end of it all it is an addiction for most. It has nothing to do with willpower and whatnot. If that was the case, fat people would never achieve anything in life. And yet there are, for example, fat doctors. Studying medicine is hard as fuck and needs a lot of willpower. So what's stopping them if not an addiction? Especially as doctors they know the havoc being obese wreaks. Being obese is not fun at all. If all that was needed was willpower, we wouldn't have a pandemic on our hands.

I’m not really trying to make a point. I’m just saying things how I see them.

I know. And I'm challenging your opinion because I truly believe losing weight is simple, but simply not easy.

It’s as simple as eating less calories than you need

Agreed. It's simple. But simple is not necessarily easy. There's a difference.

but they can’t manage it because they’ve trained their bodies to expect them to be constantly cramming garbage down their gullet

Sounds a hell of a lot like an addiction to me.

[...] lazy and or stupid and don’t want to make the effort [...] cramming garbage down their gullet [...] they have no willpower

Your entire response is filled with vitriol. You attribute a serious problem that has become a pandemic to an individual personal fault rather than acknowledge there might be a systemic problem, which leads me to believe that not only do you hate or despise overweight people, but you put them down to make yourself feel superior.

I’d put food addiction under mental health issues which I did say I empathise with, but these are a minority of cases.

As far as I know, it's a lot more than just a minority, but if you have a source and information I'm not aware of, please share. Always eager to learn.

For the sake of our discussion, let's assume you're right and mental health reasons are just a negligible minority. There's also an obesity pandemic going on right now in most of the (western) world. Has been for a while, I hope we can agree on that.

So, if there's an obesity pandemic going on, but losing weight is simple and easy, and it's not majorly mental health reasons, I gotta ask: Why are people overweight/fat/obese? Do you think people want to be fat? What's your point here?

It may be simple but certainly not easy. Food can become a serious addiction.

Thanks, great explanation!

Can someone explain the difference between "poetic language" and "dialectically coming to the truth"?

Once puberty hits there are some irreversible changes to the body. That's why it's good to know early. Besides, there's a long and arduous process with professional evaluation and what not before anything is actually done.

Naja, es wäre jetzt auch nicht so schwer für die 4 andere Leuten zu finden, die dann eine neue Partei gründen um dann im Hintergrund die Drähte zu ziehen.

An der Stelle auch eine ernstgemeinte Frage, da ich da nicht so firm drin bin: Was würde passieren, wenn die AfD Parteimitglieder einfach alle zu "Die Heimat" (ehemals NPD) gehen würden? Ist ja schon eine etablierte Partei, ist nicht neu gegründet. Müsste man die dann erneut verbieten, oder würden die auch automatisch verboten werden?

Ich zitiere mal Wikipedia (Hervorhebungen von mir):

Bis 1923 konnte die NSDAP vor allem in Bayern größeren Anhang gewinnen und nahm die durch Ruhrkampf und Inflation desolate Lage im Deutschen Reich zum Anlass für den Hitlerputsch, der am 9. November 1923 kläglich scheiterte.

Am selben Tag übertrug Reichspräsident Friedrich Ebert auf Grundlage von Artikel 48 der Weimarer Reichsverfassung die vollziehende Gewalt an den Chef der Heeresleitung Hans von Seeckt. Dieser erließ am 23. November 1923 ein reichsweites Verbot gegen die NSDAP, das bis zum 27. Februar 1925 gelten sollte. Das gesamte Parteivermögen wurde konfisziert, die Geschäftsstelle in München geschlossen, die Parteizeitung Völkischer Beobachter verboten.

Das hat man vor genau 100 Jahren so schon gemacht. Und da war es sogar ein richtiger Putsch. Geholfen hat es aber nicht. Die rechte Ideologie verschwindet nicht einfach aus den Köpfen der Menschen, nur weil man den öffentlich sichtbaren Kopf abschlägt. Wenn man die Menschen nicht erreicht, dann hat man ein echtes Problem.

Glaub mir, ich würde auch lieber in einer Zeitlinie leben, in der es die AfD gar nicht erst soweit geschafft hat. Ich bin mit einer der ersten, dem sie an den Kragen wollen. Aber die Geschichte hat gezeigt, dass "einfach verbieten" eben doch nicht so einfach das Problem löst.

Sure, you can be happy that they donated money to a cause. But billionaires are the reason donations and philanthropy are necessary in the first place. You don't become a billionaire unless you're doing unethical shit and/or exploiting a lot of people (there's inheritance, but that's another problematic topic altogether).