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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't see this as "stop eating meat to save the environment." I see this as "fix the meat industry to save the environment"

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector gives a good breakdown of the worlds C02 production. Electricity and basic household use combined with transport are 73% of the problem. Livestock is 5.8%.

If every person on the planet installed Solar panels and completely removed their grid electricity and gas usage and replaced their car with an electric vehicle and didn’t use planes we could address 10.9% + 11.9% + 1.9% = 24.7% of all CO2 production. If we all gave up all meat then we could raise that to 30.5%. Its less than that however because only 60% of personal transit is actually passenger vehicles, not all aviation is people, some tiny amount of emissions for cement is going to be personal etc etc. That is the grand total that we have control over with personal replacement and some consumer choice and some of that livestock would go into other protein sources. The rest is all businesses and building and waste management that if we stopped using would no longer be developed nations and that we have no control over how its powered. Its fair to say business is responsible for reducing emissions of at least 70% of the problem.

I would also argue that there is no particular reason for consumers to be responsible for electricity CO2 production either when CO2 free alternatives exist, we might have the option to buy solar, wind and batteries but the grid is a better place to fix that in the same model so I think we could argue reasonable its even less we are directly responsible for. All of this is consumption for us and the economy, no people means no CO2 production but any CO2 we don’t directly emit (a car is direct as is a gas cooker or a wood burner) isn’t our fault its the business that burnt it to deliver that service/energy and we don’t get to control it so we can’t be held responsible for it.

The entire goal is to transition our lifestyles into something sustainable not to go back to there being 10,000 of us living like cavemen.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

What about soy derivates being used as estrogens by the body suppressing testosterone. Plus to keep soy fields you have to spray more pesticides than everything else.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Can't we all just agree 8 billion people is silly? Think about how much of it is just completely redundant. The main focus really should be massive population reduction.

Edit: Also, no, I don't mean killing off anyone, just reducing birth rates will do fine. We know even just a simple high school education reduces birth rates.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Oh well.

So who's having burgers tonight? Maybe with bacon too.

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