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Did we start federating with lemmygrad.ml? (reddthat.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I remember it was on the list of blocked instances, but now it's not,, and my page was just flooded with content from there - was that intentional?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I initially added it on the blocked instances, but then reverted it after a day because it looked like there is 1 user who subscribed to a lemmygrad.ml community, & nothing had come from it yet (bad or good) so I thought taking a unilateral decision something that shouldn't be done and having a civil discussion around the cost benefit of having them allowed/blocked.

This 1 subscriber triggered the federation.

And this (possibly same user) is the reason why you saw all the "backlog" of posts in All.

While I am not against adding it back to blocked instances if it ends up causing an issue, blocking it without a discussion would be against the openness I want to foster in this community. The only reason I would block an instance would be due to an attack against Reddthat, or the majority of users from that instance cause a problem with us.

Thus here we are, having a discussion about it. (Pinned to Local for everyone to see and discuss)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Until they prove themselves worthy of defederation, I have no problem federating with them

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Got it, that's reasonable I guess - as long as it's not causing trouble, might as well give it a chance - thanks for the confirmation!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just a random bit if info, but it seems they decided to block us for some reason:

https://defed.xyz/check/reddthat.com

Wine what that's about... Oh well, their loss I guess :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd much rather see us defederate from exploding.heads. although I have to admit that I haven't seen any objectionable posts from either instance in the wild yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mmmmm, I just saw some posts relating to this, but never any posts from them. If it becomes a problem then we'll sort it out 👍

Their rules look good and normal. As long as they end up moderating themselves, and don't brigade our users. I see no reason to bring out the nuclear option, when kind words work just as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So...

Something like this:

https://exploding-heads.com/

Is going to be de-federated soon... Right?

Because at least on Reddit I could just block the problematic subs big enough to show up on /all.

But apparently we can't block whole instances and they keep making new subs (or whatever they're called) so it's just whack a mole.

Did you choose to federate with that shitshow? Or does every instance automatically federate and pruning bigots isn't something this I stance can deal with?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hello "Givesomefucks",

I'm sorry that you are having troubles. Federation happens when users on our instance search for a community on another instance. As you can see from "All", we currently have a couple of users on Reddthat who has subscribed to the communities on exploding-heads.

Community				Subscribers
Dank [email protected]	2
Digital [email protected]	0
[email protected]	1
Healthy [email protected]	1
[email protected]		2
Food [email protected]	0
[email protected]		1

I agree that the current moderation controls are non-existent. This is a known issue for users, moderators and server administrators alike. The Lemmy fediverse went from ~2000 active users to over 100k in a little over a week. These issues are problems that the developers and users are finding and creating fixes for.

There are only two real levels/options available for us.

  • Server Admins: Defederation (which blocks every community for every user on that instance)
  • Users: Blocking a Community or User (removes that content from your feed)

What is coming out soon (I hope) will be the option for Users to perform a block/filter on an instance level. That would completely solve your problem as I understand it.

If they are specifically targeting you, attacking other Reddthat users or completely attacking Reddthat at a whole. Then we would consider defederating. That goes with any instance in the fediverse, and does not go specifically towards this instance.
I try to be very transparent with these items, as do other server admins. Making a unilateral decision to block an instance purely on different opinions is something that goes against the type of community that I would like Reddthat to become. People are able to have different opinions. Without a different of opinions, the world would be a very boring place.

I hope you understand our point of view, why the federation initially happened. When and why a defederation would happen, and that moderation & filtering tools for users will be coming soon.

Cheers,
Tiff