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Ah, this old canard in which radical leftism didn't do anything wrong, no revolutions lead to dictatorships and centrally planned economies were sabotaged by the capitalist illuminati. God forbid we critique leftist ideologies, anyone who does that is worse than a nazi.
Naturally a planned economy under-performs an evolutionary economy.
The first time. What about the planned economy that learns from the previous one's mistakes? Or the one after that?
What about the planned economy that learns from the previous one's mistakes? Or the one after that?
Based on all the past experiments, they all fail.
Every person and company has complex needs and desires and ultimately, it's impossible for a central authority to fully anticipate and manage that over the size of a nation, because the quantity of parameters and unknown is almost infinite. Heck I don't even know what I'll want to eat for dinner!
Without even diving into the issue of concentrating so much power into a single hand. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Ah yess," we need to create classless society by eating all the rich, killing all the landlords and destroying capitalism around the world" is totally different from the far right which is also "do violence against people we don't like in order to get the society we want". Youre not a faschist if you think the people who you want to kill are responsible for all your issues I guess. Wait, wasn't that literally what hitler said?
Calling to violence is sure to get all the reforms you want. You could also, idunno, take a page from the rightwingers playbook and viralize memes about every single thing the administration does wrong so the public does not forget and is turned against them.
What a ridiculous position. You honestly believe that all socialists and/or communists want to kill the rich and the landlords?
Or is that just a convenient strawman you've created?
Communism commits evil when it goes wrong; fascism commits evil when all goes to plan. No one, not even Stalin, ever became a communist in order to do evil, whereas that's the whole point in becoming a fascist. - Julie Burchill
No, some of you are reasonable and non violent. Communists are just fucking idiots no matter which way you cut it.
Because see, you are right now excusing stalin for killing up to 20% of a countries population. YOU ARE NORMALIZING GENOCIDE OF A MASS MURDERER
you have no idea what went down and how it wasnt an accident. it was a quota. There is nothing to discuss. Fuck you for normalizing mass murder and making excuses. You are literally no better than a fucking nazi making excuses for hitler.
Least deranged anti-communist.
I'm not a communist or a socialist, nor did I write the quote.
By that logic, anti-monarchism is also fascist. After all, they tried to create a "better society" by eating all the kings, killing the landed gentry, and destroying feudalism. Must be fascist, right?
This is such an unnuanced representation of anti-monarchism
As it is an unnuanced take of anti-capitalism
A lot of countries went from monarchies to democracies peacefully and are better for it. If you want to kill people you dont agree with you are faschist. The government is literally baby feeding you workable memes you can use to ring over the population to the side of societal reforms. If you lot were more public about wanting to kill people, why wouldnt the general population vote for trump the third time in order to keep you violent maniacs in check?
How about you spread information about everything the current administration does wrong to sway the public opinion. There is ton of material already and its been day 1. You jerking off to mass murder is working against your goals of a better society.
Practically all countries that abandoned monarchism did it during, after or in fear of violent upheaval. Your frankly just historyless in your reasoning here.
If you want to kill people you dont agree with you are faschist
Not even the word. A definition of fascism from wikipedia
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
The countries which didn't go so peacefully notably the US and France and the UK executing Charles I by chopping his head off were partially responsible for other abdications of power being more peaceful. Had nobody been willing to fight we might still all be saying "your majesty"
I asked AI the following question. I thought the response was worth sharing:
"What evidence is there for the merits of horseshoe theory?"
Let me analyze this carefully. The horseshoe theory suggests that the far-left and far-right of the political spectrum are more similar to each other than to the political center.
The main arguments made in favor of horseshoe theory include:
Both far-left and far-right movements have historically shown tendencies toward authoritarianism, with examples like Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany using similar tactics of state control, propaganda, and suppression of dissent.
Some similar rhetorical and organizational patterns appear in both far-left and far-right movements, such as: populist appeals, scapegoating of particular groups, calls for radical system change, and rejection of liberal democratic norms.
There are historical cases of individuals and groups moving between far-left and far-right positions, suggesting some underlying commonalities.
However, there are significant critiques of horseshoe theory:
It oversimplifies complex political ideologies and movements, forcing them into a rigid geometric metaphor that may not reflect reality.
Surface-level similarities in tactics or rhetoric don't necessarily indicate deeper ideological similarities. The fundamental goals and values often remain drastically different.
The theory can be used to dismiss radical critiques of existing systems by equating all forms of political extremism, regardless of their specific content.
Political scientists generally view it as an oversimplified model that doesn't adequately capture the multidimensional nature of political ideology.
Rather than a strict horseshoe pattern, many political scientists prefer more nuanced models that consider multiple axes of political belief and recognize that authoritarian tendencies can emerge across the political spectrum without necessarily indicating ideological similarity.
What are your thoughts on how political ideologies should be mapped or compared?
What are your thoughts on how political ideologies should be mapped or compared?
I feel like one scale (left/right) to represent all of politics is such a generalization that most models based on it are pointless
Yes exactly, I recently watched this guy's video and it made me a lot more aware of the left/right thinking we do
Obligatory "axis spectrum better"
It's funny because Lemmygrad/Hexbear are indistinguishable from Gab.ai, and it's a bunch of liberals on the center who think "free healthcare" is somehow not centrist
Edit; honestly, all you need to do is look at the comments in this thread saying oppression isn't always bad. Lemmy.world never fails to amuse
The people saying oppression isn't always bad, what kind of examples or situations do they give? Pretty curious because I can't really think of any examples where oppression would be good.
To be fair, those sentiments are also espoused on ml. Just saying...
First day provided tons of evidence from the lord god being disrespected and completely shat on by trump to literal nazi salutes. That have endless meme potential and can be spread around for completely free and low effort in order to swing public opinion. I am sure returning to some obscure tibetian basket weaving forum with userbase of five and talking about genociding everyone not like you while the right media machine is working overtime is going to get the public to change their mind.
If it were that trivial why was public opinion not swayed earlier? The fact is at least 30-40% actually want Hitler. The rest are OK with Hitler if he actually cuts their taxes or makes them prosperous. If he built gas chambers and broadcast the mass murder of brown folks he would still have at least 30% support. We in the US are factually just garbage people.