I really have a hard time with this position that there’s a “peaceful transfer of power” yet there’s a fear in the outgoing administration expecting retribution.
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People in Guantanamo are rotting away but Bidens family must be protected.
If you have to pardon your family since the future felon president is assuming office that has no safeguards against dictatorship, then you really should've just have the next guy arrested and sent to quackamole bay
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The next few years will need a shitload of popcorn lmao
Years? I give it a month... 25% tarrifs start 2/1.
An outgoing president needing to pardon his family pre-emptively because the incoming president is threatening them is well along the path to fascism.
Good job electing Trump you fucking morons. I hope that the consequences of your own actions hurt you more than they hurt the rest of the world.
... well along the path to fascism.
Oh, we're already there.
FWIW, as an American, I really hope you're right. Because there is serious potential for us to fuck up the entire rest of the world for a very, very long time.
The US fucked up the world a long time ago, we're all entering the find out phase now.
Hey, we're Britain's fault!
And Britain is the Anglo-Saxons' fault!
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Good job electing Trump you fucking morons.
I'd like to thank the Gaza single issue voters and bLuEMagA mouth breathers, good job guys!
Social media manipulation like in 2016 should really be a part of the scapegoat club
Gaza was either not big enough to affect the result, or big enough where your candidate should have acknowledged it. You can’t have it both ways.
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Giving his family the last train car out of germany before the third reich shuts down the border.
They may want do just that. Do anyone believe Trump will honor these pardons. Also are they even valid if they haven't been charged with a crime.
It’s not about whether or not he honors them. The effectiveness of those preemptive pardons can be adjudicated by the SC. But there’s a couple of considerations on that front:
- will the SC concur that blanket pardons in advance of any charges are actually allowed?
- will Trump want to challenge that, since it would potentially kneecap any effort he makes later in that regard?
But also:
- will Trump or the SC give a shit about the blatant hypocrisy and double standard if they do strike down this sort of thing from Biden, but let Trump do it? (IMO probably not)
- if the SC gives a shit but Trump doesn’t, what’s to stop him using leverage and/or stochastic terrorism to help accelerate the conclusion of one or more justices’ tenure so he can slip someone more agreeable in?
- will the judicial branch even exist in an independent fashion in 4 years?
TL;DR: who fuckin knows at this point
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Fuck off, Biden. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Pardons for you and your family and nothing for us, huh?
By the way, accepting a presidential pardon is an admission of guilt. It's why some people refuse them - it damages their ability to argue innocence in court cases.
Funny how Biden thinks the felon in chief gives a shit about some magic words. If he wants to punish him, he will, and nobody can stop him now.
Since when do pardons protect you from future crimes?
They don't, but that's not the point. Trump has suggested that various members of Biden's family and inner circle I have done wrong and should be prosecuted. This is preemptively heading that off, ensuring that there cannot be a witch hunt.
In the US it's just basically untested, but it probably wouldn't hold up but you can still write it on the paper 🤷♂️
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/71/333/
The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment. The power is not subject to legislative control.
I don't think Trump would try it since he probably wants to use it on himself as well, but then again SCOTUS could be on some "rules for me, but not for thee" shit with it and it wouldn't matter anyhow.
With the Trump appointed supreme court it definitely won't hold up, but maybe it could delay whatever meaningless charges he can come up with long enough for another election. If we're lucky enough to have another real election that is at least.
I don't think they are preemptive pardons in the sense that they are pardons for future crimes. They are pardons for unspecified past crimes that have not yet been charged. That is not unheard of. For example, Carted issued blanket pardons for everyone who dodged the draft during the Vietnam war whether they had been charged or not.
Where it is untested is if he tried to pardon himself. That has never been tested in the courts and is generally considered invalid on the premise that you cannot be the judge in your own trial.
Or more recently (and I suppose in the same wheelhouse as the topic at hand), Hunter Biden's pardon was a blanket pardon for any potential crimes that may have been committed on January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024. It wasn't just for what he had specifically been charged with at the time.
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Perfectly normal country
Sad. In "The Land of the Free" you should never have to do this. We are well and truly fucked if this tribalism isn't put down. Cutting into our education has done irreparable damage.
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