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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Just looking for a free alternative..

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wow!

Of all companies, this is one I didn't expect.

Damn.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (3 children)

the good news is this is a lesson to never trust any entity whose role in the world is to accumulate capital

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

There is absolutely no way to verify any of Proton's privacy claims. Why should I trust one for profit company over another?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why would this be unexpected?

Proton already handed over the IP of a climate protester to authorities several years ago, while boasting that they had a no log policy.

https://therecord.media/protonmail-forced-to-collect-an-activists-ip-address-in-police-investigation

Every time, in the past few years, that I bring this up, everyone just acts like I'm setting an impossible standard and no alternative exists.

Proton has been shady for years.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

OK I think I will move to Posteo. Great security, privacy focussed, servers in Germany, running with 100% renewable energy. Prices are ok, too. Ticks all boxes.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Phew! For a moment I thought you were talking about the steam compatibility thingy.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago

If that proton goes nazi, I am going straight to the farm

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Sooo, can we not create and/or finance our own? Please be gentle…but…is there not enough of us paying for proton and other privacy apps to fund a floss or non-profit version? I mean there are tech nerds all over this place, along with law nerds and political nerds…etc..(meant with love btw) that would have an instant user base.

I pledge here to sub up to $15usd/month for any lemmy person that starts an entity that provides us with what we need with ethics and morality of lemmy common.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

You need a domain with enough reputation to not just get immediately flagged as spam, or sites outright refuse letting you use the email because they detect the domain as "invalid".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

If your mail server is configured correctly this generally isn't that big of an issue. You need a DKIM service on your mail server, and with that add some dns records (SPF records and DMARC) to the domain As long as those are in place and configured properly, you should be able to avoid most spam filters considering your domain invalid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Man you mean a handful of companies control email rules? Lol isn't this what the proton guys are saying?

They might be going about it the wrong way and in the interest of self profit, but there is truth to their points (on this one very specific thing).

Democrats are absolutely not your friends either. They take money from big tech, isp, telecom lobbyists and anyone else with their wallet open same as Republicans.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago

I know Google just donated to Trump's inauguration, and also does all the stupid surveillance capitalism crap that Google does, but I just compared prices, and Google Workspace is a few dollars per month cheaper per user than Proton is, for my needs (family, custom domain names, etc)

We've been on Proton for a few years, and it's fine, but we do also have Pixel Android phones, and not using Google services constantly feels like swimming upstream, plus all family members also still end up having to use Google services for work, anyway

It's just not practical for me to de-Google, which is a shame, so I think I'll be switching in a few months, unless pricing changes significantly :S

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago (8 children)

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that's it. lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Tweet is from early december. Why is it blowing up now?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago

I guess on the one hand people are anxious about Trumps inaugeration and on the other hand this is a great opportunity for competitors or otherwise opposed people to launch an astroturfing campaign off of it.

When looking at posts titled has gone "full MAGA" for saying they feel Trump is more likely to enact antitrust rules against big tech than Democrats who let them down the past years, is just absurd.

It is the same line of reasoning like claiming the WHO to have been a chinese asset because they supported some of Chinas anti-Covid measures.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 hours ago

Damn dude. I swear I can't wait for AI to program everything so I don't have to keep track of the shitty things people do because we are a shit species.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically?? Including self-hosted options

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Immich if you want really good photo backup. Nextcloud if you want a full Drive replacement

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

syncthing if you just want to keep a few folders in sync between devices.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Mullvad is supposed to be a safe and secure VPN.

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