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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Not like it really matters. A lot of self proclaimed communists on the fediverse actively supported Trump, such as ML and Hexbear.

If nobody agrees what or who communism is then it gets used to describe anything and everything.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Read George Orwell "1984"!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's like defining masculinity by looking at Musk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It's like defining a sane leader by looking at Trump

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Braune Scheiße macht braune Scheiße

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Then why do you love him so much?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which shows how much they don't know about history. Given that Weidel talked about rather fictious versions of schools in Germany, I'd say that she did not spend enough time to learn anything worthwhile in there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

She lives in Switzerland... So yes...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why do they lie in a way that makes their hero be on the opposite side as them?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hitler scares right wingers because he turned the colonialism that Western Europe plundered and looted the rest of the world towards Western Europe itself. Lebensraum was settler-colonial, after all. However, right wingers are fascinated by such an idea and wish to replicate it on their terms.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Amazing how they are revising history. So was Hitler good or bad? I thought they are staunchly against communism?

Edit: wait, so they are saying Hitler was bad because he was a communist and AfD is conservative and against communism? Incredible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Ba dum tsss

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eh, three arrows isn't really a good source either. Being against Socialism/Communism (one of the arrows in the 3) is a big red flag for attacking claims of Nazis being Socialist. A much better source would be Blackshirts and Reds by Dr. Michael Parenti.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here's where the arrows come from. Figures that social democrats aren't authoritarians and thus don't like tankies which the KPD very much was. Calling them, at least at that time, "against socialism" is gross libel. (Technically the SPD still hasn't abandoned socialism, at least when you look into their party programme, but new labour etc).

I guess a much bigger red flag is coming from a .ml instance and re-heating "social fascist" rhetoric against SocDems.

...can't believe I'm actually defending the traitor party but it's against tankies so meh.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm aware that the Three Arrows symbol originated from the Iron Front, I believe you are mistaken when you say Social Democracy is Socialist. Socialism is foundationally anticapitalist, Social Democrats wish to retain Capitalism and harness it to expand safety nets and social programs. This isn't about "tankies" or whatever, Social Democrats are opposed to Socialism both historically and ideologically, hence the addition of the slash.

You called them a traitor party for good reason.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, they don't. From a Marxist perspective, they think that liberal-democratic capitalism is a better pre-stage to the abolishment of capitalism than Leninist state capitalism.

Quoth the SPD programme:

Our history is shaped by the idea of democratic socialism, a society of free and equal people where our core values are realized. It requires a structure in economy, state and society guaranteeing civil, political, social and economic basic rights for all people living a life without exploitation, suppression and violence, hence in social and human security.

The end of the soviet type state socialism did not disprove the idea of democratic socialism but it clearly confirmed the orientation of social democracy towards core values. In our understanding democratic socialism remains the vision of a free and fair society in solidarity. Its realization is a permanent task for us. The principle for our actions is social democracy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I'm aware of the claims of the SPD. I explained in another comment why they are contradictory and wrong, such as Rosa Luxemburg disproving them. This is further proven by the fact that Socialist systems have been built by Marxists, but none have been built by Social Democrats in history.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Talk about misinformation: Wired purposefully didn't cite actual statement which was: “The biggest success after that terrible era in our history was to label Adolf Hitler as right and conservative. He was exactly the opposite. He wasn’t a conservative. He wasn’t a libertarian. He was a communist socialist guy,”

With the context it reads more like communist-like person, not literal communist.

But the context be damned, we hate Elon and Wired confirms our bias so we eat misinformation like it's a gospel written by God himself

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

You're overreacting too far the other way. Sure they're not saying he was a duck, they're saying he was a goose, but for many practical purposes, those two things are the same.

Furthermore, they said what they said in the way that they said it to foment precisely this sort of confusion (or because they're equally confused. Take your pick.). Did they go on to explicitly say "not an actual communist, but a bit like one"?

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