That's a 100% true observations. Most religions can't even agree with themselves.
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Not even churches within the same religion can agree! That's why some fly LGBTQ+ flags, while others condemn gay people to hell.
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Come on, get out. Scientific disciplines can't agree within themselves, scientific disciplines don't agree with each other.
There are disagreements about details, but there are no disagreements about the basics. For instance although Newton is replaced by Relativity, but Newton is still good enough for 99.99% of gravitational computations.
Christians want biologists to seem in disagreement about evolution, because they think that makes their creation nonsense more plausible.
But in reality 90% of biologists agree on 90% of how evolution works. Compare that to religions, where you don't have anything similar, even within the same religion. The new pope doesn't even agree with the old pope, on how many children a priest is allowed to molest, before going to the police.
My point being is that scientists disagree with each other as much as religious groups disagree with each other. Disagreement within a group isn't a valid reason to dismiss that group's ideas, nor should we treat it as such.
Religions are as coherent and formal as scientific disciplines, if not even more so in many cases, especially within the same religion/tradition.
Would you then turn around and say that an entire scientific discipline is bunk simply because the outgoing president of an academic association disagreed with or had different views from the incoming president?
I agree with you that some religious folks argue in bad faith/polemics, and one of their tactics is to highlight the fact that science is not a monolith. I see that as a science communication problem, not as a reason to pretend that science actually is monolithic. It's tremendously important to embrace the ways in which science could change, the ways that science is intended to be flexible, the ways that science actually produces a kind of knowledge among other ways of producing knowledge. But it's silly to proclaim science as the only way of knowing things in the world, and then to say that it's entirely (or even mostly) internally consistent and without debate. Science is debate.
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If you've ever watched his show Bullshit! You'd see many libertarian views with arguments which don't hold up to scrutiny. I recall listening to a podcast (I want to say midish 2000, 2007ish?) where he said that the good ideals were rich people supporting the social services (food banks etc) and that would be good. Which we all know don't hold up. That said, I do still enjoy his Bullshit! series (also that more recent one Fool Us is fun), him and Teller are very entertaining, though not who I'd quote for supporting ideals to give a better support to said argument. That said I believe Hitchens was on his episode about religion and he seems like a better person to use for said argument.
A lot of people who were in the libertarian atheist crowd saw the light, at least partially after trump was elected. Seems like Penn change his tune a bit too according to Wikipedia:
In 2020, Jillette distanced himself from aspects of libertarianism, particularly surrounding COVID-19. In an interview with Big Think, he stated, "[A] lot of the illusions that I held dear, rugged individualism, individual freedoms, are coming back to bite us in the ass." He went on to elaborate, "[I]t seems like getting rid of the gatekeepers gave us Trump as president, and in the same breath, in the same wind, gave us not wearing masks, and maybe gave us a huge unpleasant amount of overt racism."[53]
In the 2020 United States presidential election, Jillette endorsed Andrew Yang in the Democratic primary.[54] In an op-ed for CNN after that year's general election, he stated that he "used to identify as Libertarian", but voted for Joe Biden.[55]
I think a lot of that crowd outgrows it as they get older, and realize how impractical it is, but if you get rich while in that phase it seems to make you stick to it as you become out of touch with reality. It's easy to believe in libertarian principals when you're rich and privileged.
I might not be understanding You correctly, but are You saying that "The ritch should support the poor" is a bad idea?
I'm saying that they believe that the rich would willingly give the money to support the poor rather than have government tax people and create programs. The Libertarian way. At least that was what he was saying on the old podcast. I realize I didn't explain it well, but the whole Libertarian view that they don't like taxes was meant to be implied. The clash being if they don't like taxes how would their paying directly match what is done now?
X-D That's exactly how I took it too.
And yet the man believes in AnCap ideologies which are about as fantastical as any religion
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