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18 month project is winding down. I suspect it will have 1 use in the next 4 years we are supporting it.

The tool is basically a copy of the S3 browser, only shittier. The license for the S3 browser is only 20 bucks btw.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most demotivating thing as a programmer: knowing your project will never be used

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

On the plus side no users means no bug reports or feature requests

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

whistles

Always look on the bright side of life....

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And you get paid for it regardless. It's win-win :D

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, no optimization / quality required ahah

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think of it like a rite of passage nowadays. I remember how badly it would affect me when I started out and I can see how hard it hits juniors and mid-levei developers nowadays, it's one of the biggest threats to morale in a team.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It sucks because we watched this whole train wreck play out in slow motion.

We told our managers from the beginning it was a waste of time and that we should focus on the more important project that will depreciate this one anyway.

I built the tool they wanted, within the constraints of our corporate network configuration, and it worked really well. But it required the customer to change one thing about their workflow, which would require certification.

So they slowly scoped it back and back until it does basically nothing.

But even though the app does nothing and has no users, I still had to generate all the documents and artifacts and recovery plans etc. I wish sometimes that I would have gotten my degree in civil engineering or something more real.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Or knowing that what you're working on is going to be scrapped before completion

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The German government has decided that starting on October 1st of this year, they don't want energy providers who want to call up another energy provider to just google the other company and use that number. They want an entire new system of message exchange for the sake of transmitting data like a company's address and phone number directly to all it's market buddies.

I'm part of the team who had to build that shit within the last 4 months or so. It's a neat project and everyone gained knowledge in AWS cloud stuff, but realistically, every one of our customers will use the system exactly once (as required by the government) and then never again.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could it be used as the basis for more advanced information exchange among those companies?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They already have a very advanced system to transfer actually valuable data (when/how much power needs to go to the grid, end user data, redispatch of solar panels etc etc). We've actually taken that complex and valid system and clipped its wings to do something way less useful :')

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

We’ve actually taken that complex and valid system and clipped its wings to do something way less useful :')

that's .. way too pragmatic for a government project

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germans and over engineered solutions, most iconic duo!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Not in IT, unfortunately. I work a lot in public projects and the underlying problem is pretty much always politics, not technology.

One project is very simple, in theory. You authorize yourself with BundID, type in some data, these are used to query one agency, you add some more data and then it's sent to another agency. In a sane world, that would mean 5 parties involved. However, we are currently at 10, just for one of the 16 states. Hardly any of that is a technical necessity, it's just political will and incompetence.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Years ago I joined a startup as a junior developer to work on a patented security application with SSL certificates and stuff. They had been working on it for 5 years, 10 engineers and 2 guys with PhDs, it was serious business. The thing was a prototype but it was fun to work with them. I was porting their app on Mac OS X too because the founders were sure that it would also be a success on a Mac.

Then one day I bought a HTC Desire to try this Android thing since I already knew Java. After a few tutorials, I realized that I could clone their whole app in 100 lines of code thanks to the Android API in less than a week, but it would be better, safer, and portable. I knew we were doomed. They closed the company a few months after because no one wanted their application.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

My company had kind of the opposite case. They had a fully functioning system, but the C suites of the client absolutely had to have a native iOS monitoring app, so they could monitor everything on their iPhones, while all their workers had Androids.

So they rebuilt everything for iOS, added all the useless features they wanted, got paid .... and then had like two downloads.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

It was tested by some administration that loved, probably because their existing application was worse.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I once worked on an interface for wifi network selection. The marketing people thought that the scan went too fast and that people would believe in consequence that it wasn't powerful enough. So they asked me to add an artificial delay (multiple seconds) before showing the results.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Instead I'd probably take multiple measurements some hundred milliseconds apart and do a basic statistical analysis (average as "main result", but also lowest percentile, highest percentile and median). That way I don't feel dirty for tricking the customer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It wasn't the most fun part of the project, and it was targeted at non-moving home devices so a more powerful wifi logic wasn't really needed. In the rare scenario where the customer didn't see its wifi network, he/she could just refresh the list.

I basically just added an ugly timer and moved on more important things.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A design professor actually proposed this idea to us. Make the user feel how the computer is working, so they can appreciate the result more.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Take the same approach with tickets: Finish one in 10 minutes? You just get a new one. Finish the same one in 2 days, and claim "Pff, that was a tough one, but I did it!" - Makes the Product Owner think the Developer is working, and appreciates the result way more

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not of they ask Jim about it and Jim stabs you in the back and says nah this should take an hour max dunno what Ron is doing.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago

ez! I work for a company that builds a SaaS end to end product.

Myself and my coworker were asked to build exports for a single client. They were json exports. To start the client would take weeks/months to get back to us, their spec was very vague and their exports had some really complex logic to sort data. We'd been going back and forth with them for almost a year when they said we should give it to them "as is". They now are the proud owners of 2 complex broken exporters.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

We built a whole quality assistance software to prevent human error in manufacturing. After political non-sense, the project got essentially cancelled when it just started to become useful.

We did ship it for one use-case, though. That use-case doesn't monitor human labor. Nope, they have robots that were supposed to be more reliable than humans and now we're quality-checking those robots.

How is that the use-case where we're most needed?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My first "paid" programming project (I was paid in a used 20MB harddrive, which was equivalent to quite a bit of money for me at the time):

Automate a horse-race betting "system" that it was blatantly obvious to me even at the time, at 14 or so, was total bullshit and would just lose him money. I told the guy who hired me as much. He still wanted it, and I figured since I'd warned him it was utter bunk it was his problem.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

I used to sell windows shareware, a series of apps that composed music and loops etc. I got really sick of finding cracked versions of my apps online, usually a day or two after I'd released something. So I wrote and released an app called "Magic Text Box" which consisted of just a single form with one text box on it. Less than a day later, a cracked version of it showed up.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A client paid us for a bespoke platform for managing invoice payments. Probably 20 man years sunk into it, they wanted to sell it to their customers but no one wanted it. They've just given up trying and axed it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

OMG I just remembered this company that spent 5 years making a complex tool to use for SAP installs but nobody wanted it.

But they didn't just bury it like your guys, they started including it for free with other stuff just so they can claim "so and so is a customer" on the product's webpage. 😄

In their defense it wasn't even such a bad idea, SAP installs suck, it's just that nobody wanted to take a chance and would rather do them by hand As Is Tradition.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Had a client that couldn't understand a small dataset of data. They needed "something interactive to filter and sort the data for a human to review." We suggested putting it into an excel spreadsheet, and did it for them. Customer didn't know how to use excel so we had to create a knock-off excel table GUI that had buttons labeled "filter and sort".

some people seem to have money they don't know what to do with smh

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The world is ruled based on excel spreadsheets. 'Cos... tables.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was a series of decisions with good intentions that went poorly in the long run.

Our customer wanted us to setup a system so their users could track their products from their site from a variety of carriers; but their backend was very old and difficult to work with, and their network very locked down.

We were struggling to setup a single carrier, so we eventually decided to setup a new server with modern tooling on our own network so we could develop this and other “complicated” features with less pain, and they would only have to make a single exception to their firewall.

Fast forward a year and:

  • They didn’t request any more “difficult” features, so the server was serving a single API
  • One of our carrier’s API keys had expired and nobody noticed because they weren’t using it, and they didn’t request support for additional carriers either
  • Somebody on their security team noticed the strange calls to our servers and demanded we moved the API to their infrastructure anyway
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stupidly bad project we were rushed relentlessly on, because - stop me if you've heard this one before - some dimwit promised months' worth of work "in a couple weeks... by an intern".

I made it generally known that this whole thing had a snowball's chance in Hell of getting done on time with a 4-5-man team, they did not deign to take that opinion on board. In fact, they pretty much twisted our arm into shipping some barely working bullshit, causing them to have to do a buttload of manual correction instead. I hope they're having fun with that. :>

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Sounds like current working practice in the games industry

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Had a team of 10 working nights and weekends for a month because someone in sales sold a contract for an integration with a 3rd party that didn't exist yet. In the years I was there after that project shipped, only 1 person even looked at the feature, one time. It never actually got used

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

An RFC that essentially boiled down to saying, in excruciating detail, that I am qualified for the job I was hired for and that I can be trusted not to break the website.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When covid started, the country I live in set some temporary rules to relive some financial stress from the people. A lot of companies in our sector had to quickly abide by those rules (maybe 3 month time to prepare the new processes etc.)

Our company already had a lot of customers who would need a solution to maybe automate that.

And our project manager (and a potential customer with him) decided to not only use a native solution we could program directly into the system, but throw rpa on top.

This not only made the solution harder to program, it also made it slower (it could only run at night instead of each case instantly), more error prone, more programmers were needed (I could program a simple solution alone, with rpa we needed 3 people plus an extra tester) and also the solution was more expensive, because of paid licenses for the rpa software.

Suffice to say, we did not sell a single copy not even to the customer who wanted it. But we "shipped" it in a sense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

But AI! Hurr durr

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I work in a different industry but one time we had a guy who shipped his radio, and his vape, separate times.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

An ad hoc sorting system for a grid of tiles on an enterprise app

Instead of sorting across row wise, it sorted columnar. So it was

A E I M
B F J N
C G K O
D H L P

Instead of

A B C D
E F G H
I J K L
M N O P

This was a requirement from the CEO. Since we used this project (dogfooding) we stuck a secret search box/command palette in, which you could hit . and then type the name of the thing you wanted and click it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So it's the s3 lousier.

I'll see myself out...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anything where my dumb ass leadership announced far too early and users got excited and pushed for release. They gave unrealistic estimates so people were pissed when it didn’t fully release when they wanted it. It shipped unfinished and it died unfinished.

Waste of goddamn time and lots of stress. Don’t worry tho we got a new CEO and are going down the exact same fucking road.

Surely it can’t happen twice? Idk whether to laugh or cry most work days

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

So just another day at the office, eh?

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