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I work with a needy man, the kind of person who needs constant attention and feels threatened by silence. If I choose to read something on my phone instead of giving him attention he asks if everything's all right. If I choose to meditate, adopting a yoga like position and closing my eyes before working he asks the same. It's like he needs people talking to him constantly.

I am the opposite, I believe: I don't talk about my life at work, I go there because I need a paycheck, but I'm open to learn from more knowledgeable colleagues, something he clearly is not.

What I've done so far: avoiding him, not looking him in the eye when he wants to talk to me, telling him that I'm working when he wants to talk to me, giving dull answers, feigning ignorance about several topics, ignoring him when I'm talking to another person and he asks what we're talking about.

He still comes and sits next to me and tells me about his family, something I don't care about.

I'm torn because I want to tell him to leave me alone, that I don't care about his life, but considering the 'offense' this seems too much and knowing me I'd immediately regret it and feel bad about it.

Why am I like this?

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 5 days ago (2 children)

He’s an energy vampire. Tread carefully.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 106 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Headphones. Headphones are an excellent tool for isolation in a workplace because they don't raise objections or cause friction like saying you're uninterested but they tend to be very effective at deflection.

Just get a nice big obvious pair of headphones and put them on when he might come by and, if he waves or something just immediately respond with "Sorry, I'm in the middle of this can you message me?"

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

me: (with my headphones put on)

colleague: what are you listening to?

me: (speechless)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

I did this and when he’d talk I acted like I didn’t hear him. Worked for me

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I once had a co-worker like this named Andrew. One morning, while he scrambled to fill any moments of silence, I told him “Andrew, silence is ok sometimes” and went back to my work. He was significantly less annoying to work with afterwards.

I probably came off as a bit of a dick, though it wasn’t my intention.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think there are diplomatic ways for you to express your preference. You could say: “I don’t mean to be rude, but I prefer to really stay focused at work and socializing can drain my battery or distract me for a while afterward. Is it all right with you if I keep to myself for the most part?”

He’s obviously taking your behavior as a sign that he’s done something wrong, and not just your preference for how you like to be at work. He’s probably trying to fix it or improve relations with you, and this is making it worse. The standoffish behavior you’re showing him is feeding his sense that there’s a problem he needs to address with you, so take a different tack.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

These sound like bread and butter small talk type work interactions.

Just gonna be blunt... meditating at work and adopting a yoga like position is going to attract attention and will invite co-workers to enquire after your well being.

If this guy is your biggest problem at work then you have a pretty great job.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That depends on the type of work OP does and when exactly are they adopting the yoga stance. People can do whatever they want during breaks.

But ultimately I agree with your last sentence.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you're a guy, I have found treating these interactions as mindfulness exercises is helpful. If you're a woman, he's in love with you, I'm sorry.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dude, even if OP is a guy, he might still be in love with him.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, and all the variations thereof. But you get the idea.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People like him are dangerous.

For the love of God, do not directly say it to this person, speak to HR or your supervisor and tell them you are feeling harassed at work and can't do your job.

If you say anything to the man all he's going to conclude is that you are against him, and his paranoia will kick in, and he will make problems for you that you can't anticipate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wtf. Just talk to the person first, and THEN go to HR. Why escalate immediately?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

It's in my original comment. Try reading instead of outbursting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Buy a Subaru and a nice pair of Doc Martens.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Bring or get some large ear covering headphones. Wear them all the time regardless of if you are listening to anything. Ignore attempts to distract. Practice and say, “sorry, focused right now” and go back to work.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 days ago

You are this way because you are maintaining professionalism. Your coworker is being unprofessional by over sharing. Set your boundaries fast and firm.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

If I may rephrase what I’m reading: You don’t want to tell him to leave you alone because you would be upset if someone told you that.

Here’s the thing: you don’t know that will upset him. TL;DR of the rest of my post: he probably won’t take it the way you would, and I highly recommend being straightforward with him.

I suggest reading about the difference in Ask Culture vs Guess Culture. Those of us who grew up in a guess culture manage our own actions based on what we think will be acceptable to those around us and won’t even initiate something if it would be deemed inappropriate, so it’s rare we have to be told “no”. Those in ask culture will just ask and be totally fine if told no, because they haven’t already done the pre-work to figure out if their request will be approved.

One of the best lessons I’ve had in the past few years is that other people don’t respond like me. I mean, that should be obvious. But it came up in the context of being a manager at work with an underperformer. I would be devastated if my boss told me I was not doing well at my job, and so I was terrified of telling my direct report that. I communicated the gaps in her specific actions for months, but we finally got to a point where I needed to have the conversation that I didn’t think the role was the right fit for her. It was one of the hardest days in my career. And she thanked me for it!

I was so scared because I was imagining how I’d feel hearing what I was going to say. But she’s not me! And instead of being upset, she felt relief to hear someone else say it.

You’re afraid of being rude, and that shows you have compassion and care for others. But I bet you that this coworker of yours just needs to be told, and not communicating with him is actually less kind.

A quote from a favorite book series of mine is a take on our “golden rule” through an alien culture: “The Iron Rule: Treat others less powerful than you however you like. The Silver Rule: Treat others as you’d like to be treated. The Golden Rule: Treat others as they’d like to be treated.”

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago

I don't think there's any need to be rude. Just tell him you appreciate that he wants to make sure you're alright, but that you're just not a very talkative person and you quite enjoy silence. You can say it's nothing personal, but that's just who you are and you'll let him know if one day for whatever reason you are not fine. If you're feeling generous you can ask him to do the same, but that is a potential commitment.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Unspoken expectations are pre-meditated resentments.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

No one seems to be mentioning what I suspect might be the problem here

He’s a man and you’re a woman, is this the case ? and he will NOT leave you alone. I don’t blame you for not mentioning that part, given all the bullshit that straight guys do.

If that’s the case: this is an issue for HR and when they don’t believe you, it’s an issue for a lawyer (because then they might believe you)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Why do people seem to have such a hard time with being direct? Just tell him to leave you alone, if you hurt his feelings it's not your problem.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tell him you have trouble focusing on your work if you stop to talk too often. Tell him you’re trying to finish x, y, z, etc, and after doing that enough hopefully he gets the message.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Best to be direct. Fake responses just dog deeper paths.

What are you working on. Oh I'll help you. Sure I'll be back on ten. Yeah I'm busy too buy you gotta take breaks. Hey did you catch thst movie.

If the person is so dense they dont know there bothering somone there not the type of person to get subtle hints.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Take up skiing and make that your entire personality

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Oh yes! Talk to him about MULTILEVEL MARKETING! Hell, OP might even be able to sell him garbage and make some money on the side if he's stupid and desperate enough!!!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

"Please, leave me alone."

Nicely, no more than 2 episodes.

If additional episodes occur:

"Please, leave me alone or I'll complain to HR."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

Just tell him you don't talk a lot because you need to concentrate at work and you always keep it professional because you wanna separate work and private life.

Small chance it might be awkward for a bit but he will respect it. Unless he is an asshole then you don't owe friendliness.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

"Not now, I am busy"

"Great! I need to work now, see you around!'

You don't need to be boring - I am telling you, working woman to working woman, that is an ineffective strategy with determined guys. You need to convince him you do not have time for him in your full and interesting life.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's the simple things in life... always the simple things. Have you ever said the simple things to him?

"Be quiet now."

"Leave me alone."

(and after his response, whatever it is, you be quiet yourself)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What?? Imagine telling anyone to "be quiet now". That's plainly rude and won't help

It's important to be honest and polite. "I really need to focus on my work and be silent for a few hours a day. I'd be happy to chat on a coffee break, but I need to have some quiet time please"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But what if they aren't happy to chat on their coffee breaks either?

What you're suggesting is basically just hitting the snooze button. "I'm sorry but I'm just the type of person who don't do small talk." in a polite but firm manner have worked wonders for me before.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That's plainly rude and won't help

If it is rude in your culture, you should find the appropriate way of expression

"I really need to focus on my work and be silent for a few hours a day. I'd be happy to chat on a coffee break, but I need to have some quiet time please"

But that won't help either, because it makes too many words. By far.

It is essential to stay absolutely focused in such cases. You want something, so you say what you want, and nothing else. And then silence.

Silence is your goal.

Nothing about what you yourself are doing, only what you want the other one to do. Nothing about coffee and nothing about last year's vacation on that beautiful island in the sun with the bowling club and how drunk they all were... The barest minimum is the right amount of politeness.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

I’m torn because I want to tell him to leave me alone, that I don’t care about his life, but considering the ‘offense’ this seems too much and knowing me I’d immediately regret it and feel bad about it.

Imagine someone has a huge booger hanging out of their nose. It might be embarassing that you point it out to them, but it's a lot more embarassing if they walk around with the booger hanging there. It's the same with this. If you're polite but direct, there's nothing to feel bad about, you're helping the guy learn where the line is.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Show him your Warhammer figurines

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

Why am I like this?

Because different people are different. I am the same. I could not give 2 shits about my coworkers personal lives.

Us dudes are thick as bricks, put him on the backdoor by using some of these.

I'm in the middle of something, I wish you would stop interrupting me.

Dude, stop interrupting me.

No seriously, if you keep interrupting me I will have to talk to management about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

If you're trying to salvage a work relationship and 'say the right things' I get it, but sometimes being blunt and abrupt is exactly what's needed. Something short but courteous like 'its always great catching up but I need to get to work' or even more direct like 'im sorry but I don't have time to be doing this in the mornings and these conversations are putting me behind on my work.' or if this isn't a situation where you're trying to preserve a work relationship go the abrasive route and state that you've tried to be kind but if he doesn't stop talking to you you'll be forced to go to HR. You have protections for exactly this situation if you do report to HR.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

What did he say when you directly told him to leave you alone and give you more space?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They sound a lot like an ex colleague of mine who had aspergers. They latched on to me because they got promoted to a different team in the same office as me when i got promoted and they would not stop talking to me, and about the most inane and mundane shit. Stuff i didnt gove a fuck about

I would be polite i would answer and engage in the conversation but if it had been too long and i felt managers eyes in the back of my head i would just fizzle out and start to turn back to my screen and say something like "ok, well, i need to get on" and they would go away.

I believe they were this way because of aspergers. They could never tell when i was uninterested or when i was busy with something. They didn't pick up on social cues. They just kept talking.

I wonder if it's a similar reason with your colleague?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How about direct communication? Saying you don't like talking about non work related stuff at work is not rude. Saying you are not interested in a conversation right now is also not rude.

Rude would be to disregard your request and tbh I find the methods you tried quite rude.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nobody here noticed the tinny little fact that you seem to be a woman. One that works out and attracts attention (i.e. your story about a dude eyeing you in the park). The coworker might simply find you attractive.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"I am focused on task x and cannot talk to you".

Does he have a job to do or is he just there to pester people with smalltalk?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Have you tried telling him.. to leave you alone?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

I’m torn because I want to tell him to leave me alone, that I don’t care about his life,

Tell them to leave you alone, that you don't care about their life.

I'm 100% serious. Just be honest if thats the way you feel. It sets up boundaries and if they are a sane person, they'll respect you for your honesty.

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