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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy proposed placing Ukraine’s territory under NATO’s protection to halt active warfare with Russia.

Speaking to Sky News, he suggested NATO could safeguard areas currently under Ukrainian control, allowing the rest of the territory to be reclaimed diplomatically.

Zelenskyy said that such a proposal has never been considered by Ukraine because it has never been officially offered.

The statement follows intensified Russian missile and drone strikes targeting Ukrainian energy infrastructure, leaving over 1 million people without power.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Other NATO countries won't agree to let them in. And if it isn't "Ukraine in NATO", but just a defense pact - it'll end the same way as their previous defense pacts did. Which means "nobody will send troops, and the amount of help sent will be low / not enough and outdated tech".

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago

Let's call them out- Hungary and Turkey.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And he is right. Else there will just be a next conflict under the treat of nuclear weapons everyone else needs to bud out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's what I said half a year ago. NATO should get their shit together, say that Ukraine is becoming a NATO member, official ceremony is next week and Ukraine is considered a NATO territory from then on, and any Russian troops that are within it's borders then are considered invasion force on entire NATO.
Putin throws threats left and right all the time, everybody knows they hold no weight, but everybody is too afraid to find out. We should use the same tactics and check the cards. I know it's easier doing nothing and sending best wishes, but sooner or later Putin will finish there and start looking further west. And he will move the post little by little because no one wants the war and nobody wants to do anything untill it's them. This is not a hypothetical war anymore, it's already going, and people are already dying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Putin always has the option of going nihilist.

That is dangerous, when nukes are in the held-hand.

IF Putin decides "Russia's finished, & I can't live, so LET'S TAKE-OUT AS MUCH OF THE WORLD AS WE CAN!!",

THEN .. there are consequences, you know?

He's GOT nukes.

He IS narcissist, machiavellian, psychopath, possibly nihilist, sadistic, & systemically-dishonest.

I want that possibly nihilistic kept off our lives.

Doing it in a gradual way might be better..

but still doing it..

( of course, Trump's a Putin ally, so Ukraina's fucked, come January,

as NATO is going to be, through the next 2 decades of Trump's dictatorship )

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My opinion put them into NATO and watch Russia leave. Russia doesn’t want a full war with NATO. Even if all of NATO doesn’t join the US will and Poland will be more than happy to jump in.

Just my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The US will no longer support any military action against Russia, our new commander in chief is a known Russian asset and has spoken publicly about exiting NATO.

If anything, USA will most likely remain in NATO just so they can veto Ukraine's joining.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Won’t argue any of that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately, his opinion on this matter is essentially irrelevant, except possibly as a PR exercise. As things stand, it's up to the US and Russia to hash out a deal, and Ukraine will have to accept whatever terms they come up with. Such is life when your country is a geostrategic playing field.