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[–] [email protected] 224 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

This is a copy/pasted message I wrote up on another thread. As long as there are people in the comments shilling kagi, I will shill my prefered engines. At least my suggestions will bring awareness to free as in freedom projects. I hope to god people paying 10$/month just to not get datacucked by search engines will also learn something and save their money.

SearX/SearXNG is a free and open source, highly customizable, and self-hostable meta search engine. SearX instances act as a middle man, they query other search engines for you, stripping all their spyware ad crap and never having your connection touch their servers. Of course you have to trust the SearX instance host with your query information, but again if you are that paranoid just self host.

I personally trust some foss loving sysadmin that host social services for free out of alturism, who also accepts hosting donations, whos server is located on the other side of the planet, with my query info over Google/Alphabet any day.

Its nice to be able to email and have a human conversation with your search engine provider thats just a knowlegable every day joe who genuinely believes in the project and freely dedicates their resources to it. Consider sending some cash their way to help with upkeep if you like the services they provide, they will probably appreciate and make use of that 10$ better than kagi.

Heres a list of all public searx instances, I personally prefer to use paulgo.io All SearX instances are configured different to index different engines. If one doesn't seem to give good results try a few others.

Did I mention it has bangs like duckduckgo? If you really need google like for maps and buisness info just use !!g in the query

search.marginalia.nu is a completely novel search engine written and hosted by one dude that aims to prioritize indexing lighter websites little to no javascript as these tend to be personal websites and homepages that have poor SEO and the big search engines won't index well. If you remember the internet of the early 2000s and want a nostalgia trip this ones for you. Its also open source and self-hostable

Finally, YaCy is another completely novel search engine that uses peer-to-peer technology to power a big webcrawler which prioritizes indexes based off user queries and feedback. Everyone can download yacy and devote a bit of their computing power to both run their own local instance and help out a collective search engine. Companies can also download yacy and use it to index their private intranets.

They have a public instance available through a web portal. To be upfront, YaCy is not a great search engine for what most people usually want, which is quick and relevant information within the first few clicks. But, it is an interesting use of technology and what a true honest-to-god community-operated search engine looks like untainted by SEO scores or corporate money-making shenanigans.

I hope this has been informative to those who believe theres only a few options to pick from, I know these options are so unknown to most people.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Thank you! So I can use Google but stop it from doing the CAPCHA shit repeatedly because it detects my VPN? It's abuse of the user and I'm tired of it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Yup! Enjoy :)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use Kagi right now but search.marginalia.nu and YaCy seem really cool. Hell, I might package YaCy and write a module for it for NixOS :^)

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Wow, USB-C and DDG in the same year? Look at Apple trying to stay relevant 😉

[–] [email protected] 230 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They didn’t switch to USB-C out of the goodness of their hearts. They switched because the EU passed a new law that requires that new smartphones have USB-C ports.

[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 year ago (24 children)

And they actively fought against it for as long as they could, tooth and nail.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Apple will never do anything for any other reasons besides: regulation and profit. They try and foster this image of humanitarianism and ethics, but meanwhile they build everything in sweatshops and make their own "standards" so that their loyal customers can only use the functions they need by purchasing additional dongles.

I'm happy that they were forced into an actual standard, but I've already heard at least two apple users IRL claiming that USB-C is inferior for [insert random reasoning here]. Apple has cultivated the idea that they are above standards for a long time and it will take a long time to break.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ah yes, the second largest company in the world “trying to stay relevant”

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Im not really brand loyal to a gizmo company but the way android users are so insecure makes me never want to get them.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I really really don’t think Apple needs to do much to stay relevant.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Surprised to see so many plugging kagi in this thread. A subscription to search the internet seems crazy to me. Is it that good?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's like Google back in 2010. You find stuff you are looking for without pages and pages of ads, spam, and clickbait.

If you hit a domain which is obviously spam, you can block it forever. If you find a domain you really like, you can promote it for future results.

It's clear that Google's motivation is no longer to offer good results. It's to maximise the time you're on the site, and the number of ads and spam sites you click. Their goal is now, literally, to feed you bad results.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This article is a pretty good summary of why, by Google's own words, an ad driven search experience will be rubbish:

https://pluralistic.net/2023/10/03/not-feeling-lucky/#fundamental-laws-of-economics

Not only does Kagi produce great search results, as good as "old Google" IMO, its business model means the above cannot (or at least, shouldn't) happen. If it ever changed its model to include ads etc it would collapse so fast.

So for me, unlike the other poster, I'd recommend it to everyone who's finding the existing search engines are rubbish and full of useless Etsy and SEO etc links.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

Paying for a service ensures your incentives (mostly) align. Kagi's incentive is to make a good search that makes you want to pay for it, google's incentives are to gather your data to either sell or use themselves, and show you as many ads as possible.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought it sounded pretty silly, too. I gave the free trial a shot and for technical searches it was the best I had seen by far. Being able to lower certain sites and raise other sites makes it much easier to filter through shitty results like blog posts and stuff. I pay for it now and it's worth it to me just for the time savings on technical searches. It definitely is still pretty far behind for things like local business info and stuff, but as a general purpose search engine it's been extremely good for me.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I wouldn’t recommend it to everyone because it’s really expensive, but for me it’s great, and I save at least one hour a day at work since I don’t waste my time filtering the results from DDG or Google.

It’s subjective of course but I’m happy about it so far.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried the trial for two days before I bought in and completely gave up google. Kagi is absolutely amazing and well worth the money, not just because there’s no ads or selling of your data, but because the search results are miles better than any alternative now. I have over 50k searches in my google history and at one point in my career I would average around a hundred searches a day. I know what I need from a search engine and Kagi absolutely gives it to me.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My experience doesn't go past the free trial, but yes, it is very good. It's basically Google-level search quality, but without the removal of features and dropping quality that Google itself experiences in the last few years.

That said, it's still just a regular old search engine. If you used Google 10 years ago, you have a pretty good idea what this feels like. It doesn't really do anything new or revolutionary. It's not a "wow, this is amazing" experience, it's just a "well, this actually works" kind of thing.

Not something I'd pay $10/month for, but if you want to move away from Google without it feeling like a downgrade, it's currently the only real alternative. Bing, DDG (which is just Bing with window dressing), Yandex, BraveSearch are all still quite a bit worse than Google and even Google itself is nowhere near as good as it once was.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Doesn't Google pay billions to Apple for the top spot? Why would they want to lose that stream of free cash?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If the goodwill they garner from that makes APPL go up because it matches the privacy expectation they are branding themselves with, they might be making even more money anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To harm a competitors stock prices more than they are paying out

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

I mean, it makes sense, DDG already use apple maps for their maps platform.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I started using duck duck go a few months ago and have felt like my search results are a lot more useful since.

The maps function on it sucks though

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

that explains that then

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Duck duck go sucks for porn I stopped using it a while ago. Until they fix that I'm out.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The man has priorities

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

I’ve been using it this way for years. I don’t use google products at all now and don’t miss it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been using duckduckgo for the last month and change and I'm not really a fan. Especially for things here in Japan, it can give really wonky results (today I was looking for the closest post office and searched '\ post office'. It gave me a website to get directions, but no indication of where it might be nor, y'know, even the post office's website). Google has gotten continually worse for me, but this was, in most cases, just barely as good or worse.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's been my default for years. Usually I find what I want. When I don't, I go back to the search box and put !g at the front, which sends the search to google.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

!sp (Startpage) gives you the same results as Google but without personalized ads or ad tracking.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Oct 4 (Reuters) - Apple (AAPL.O) held talks with DuckDuckGo to replace Alphabet's (GOOGL.O) Google as the default search engine for the private mode on Apple's Safari browser, the Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with the discussions.

The details of the talks are expected to be released later this week, according to the report, after Judge Amit Mehta, overseeing a federal antitrust suit against Google, ruled on Wednesday that he would unseal the testimony of DuckDuckGo CEO Gabriel Weinberg and Apple executive John Giannandrea.

Apple, DuckDuckGo and Google did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

Last month, the U.S. Department of Justice in a landmark U.S. trial argued Google, which has some 90% of the search market, illegally paid $10 billion annually to smartphone makers such as Apple and wireless carriers like AT&T (T.N) and others to be the default in search on their devices in order to stay on top.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella testified on Monday, saying that tech giants were competing for vast troves of content needed to train artificial intelligence, and complained Google was locking up content with expensive and exclusive deals with publishers.

He added that Microsoft had sought to make its Bing search engine the default on Apple smartphones but was rebuffed.


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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

On Safari (iOS), Apple makes it easy to switch. Settings > Safari > Search Engine and select which one you want. I’ve been using DDG not quite a year and at first the change felt a lil jarring, but knowing I’m contributing less to Google’s ad revenue and their long list of privacy violations, I’m comfortable now sticking with DDG. Change isn’t always easy, convenient, or comfortable, but it can be done with just the tiniest bit of effort.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

All browsers make it easy. In fact, Chrome on Android is quicker.

Settings > Search Engine > and select which one you want.

Currently you can pick between;

  • Google
  • Yahoo
  • Bing
  • DuckDuckGo
  • Ecosia

That's not the point at all.

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