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[–] [email protected] 322 points 3 weeks ago (26 children)

This is my ~8 month old work laptop.

Is a Dell.

2 usb c not pictured.

You have options.

[–] [email protected] 142 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

As long as you're not an apple cult member you do.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

It's beautiful.

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[–] [email protected] 237 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)
[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

That's the way to do it. I just wish Framework had a better selection of modules available and had more module bays on their laptops.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Is a dongle that doesn’t dangle even really a dongle at all?

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

In case you're not aware, that's a Framework laptop.

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[–] [email protected] 193 points 3 weeks ago (45 children)

I dunno - I’m pretty sure I’d choose the modern MacBook Pro’s ports over any of these other options.

[–] [email protected] 120 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

We’re mindlessly bashing Apple here, we don’t need your sensible reasoning!

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 3 weeks ago (82 children)

Fuck firewire. Glad it's dead. USB C is the best thing to happen to peripherals since the mouse.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 3 weeks ago (27 children)

USB C is the best thing to happen to peripherals since the mouse.

I would agree with you if there were a simple way to tell what the USB-C cable I have in my hand can be used for without knowing beforehand. Otherwise, for example, I don't know whether the USB-C cable will charge my device or not. There should have been a simple way to label them for usage that was baked into the standard. As it is, the concept is terrific, but the execution can be extremely frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey that's a fair point. Funny how often good ideas are kneecapped by crap executions.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure the phrase “kneecapped by crap executions” is in the USB working groups’s charter. It’s like one of their core guiding principles.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

If anyone disagrees with this, the original USB spec was for a reversible connector and the only reason we didn't get to have that the whole time was because they wanted to increase profit margins.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

I agree with USB-C, but there are still a million USB-A devices I need to use, and I can't be bothered to buy adapters for all of them. And a USB hub is annoying.

Plus, having 1-2 USB-C ports only is never gonna be enough. If they are serious about it, why not have 5?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I'd love at least one USB A type cause most of the peripherals I own use that.

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I dont know why this is controversial. I'm way more happy with 4x USB-C, than 5 unique ports, that will likely never be used on a regular basis, even when they were relevant

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

4 USBC would be cool. Most of these devices only have 2 or 3, minus 1 required for power delivery. If you have peripherals a hub is almost required.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Content note: shilling

!https://frame.work/!<

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (18 children)

How about this:

  • 4x USB-C (can't see why I'd need 4 though, 3 is plenty)
  • 2x USB-A
  • HDMI
  • RJ-45
  • headphone jack
  • microsd

That should still fit just fine on the chassis if they didn't do the stupid curve thing, and it certainly wouldn't make it thicker.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

As long as a computer has 4 usb-c ports, I think you’re covered for everything.

Yes we had more different ports back in the days, but most were never used.

Usb-c is way more practical. Still that implies that you have more than 2 Usb-c ports.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (36 children)

At work both my monitors and networking go through the same port. The monitor also acts as a usb hub.

You can buy an adapter and plug everything in one port.

I love it personally.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (23 children)

I'm no Apple fanboy (never owned a product of theirs and never will) but to be fair, those two USB-C ports can do everything the old, removed ports can do and more. The real crime here is not putting enough of them on the laptop.

Edit: The only port I'll lament the removal of is the headphone jack. USB-C headphones are rare, adapters get lost, and bluetooth headphones compress the audio and have input lag. Everything else can go, though, and won't be missed. (Okay fine ethernet can stay too.)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Apple’s MacBook Pro includes HDMI and a third usb/Thunderbolt port alongside an SDXC and headphone jack (the latter of which is on all their laptops albeit on the other side). This seems like the perfect balance for most users.

It’s nonsense they don’t include HDMI on the Air, but then “it’s kinda thin and kinda light”.

I was not sad to see FireWire and mini-DisplayPort replaced with usb-c/thunderbolt.

Current port line up on “pro” machines:

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 weeks ago

And there's the soldered RAM and storage, and glued-in or screwed-in battery...

[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

Dude, those two little UBS-C ports do 50x what the ports on the bottom laptop could do

[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

That's true and good, but I still want to be able to plug on an HDMI or Ethernet cable without a damn adapter.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

To make our laptops look clean and minimalistic, they made us buy a bunch of dongles and adapters.

Screw it, I'm buying a rugged laptop with the thickness of a desktop PC next

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

Is this rage bait? Those are different macbooks. I think the bottom ones are pros. My current Pro M2 has HDMI and magsafe. My M1 (Air?) is like the top one, but is not in fact a pro and therefore does not provide as many ports.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

I’m glad I can plug in one port and have a dual display setup, all peripherals, speakers, ethernet, charging, etc connected at my desk in one go.

If I want to leave, unplug one thing and I’m good to go.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

I'm on the other side wishing peripherals would catch up and all become USB-C already. I'm tired of USB-A.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They remove the extra ports because they take up space in the board.

That aside if you’re buying Mac you took it from yourself. No one made you buy it.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (31 children)

As someone who daily drives a laptop for work and does field work on server facilities, finding a modern replacement that has both a RJ45 port and square USB (USB-A?) ports available on both sides, has been a pain in the hassle.

And I'm not even crying over the loss of VGA any longer. That one I can live without.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The annoying thing is they're not even that much thinner. They've just reshaped the edge to make it look like there isn't room for real ports.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

USB-C does a lot of heavy lifting. Also, MagSafe™ is still there. A little surprised there is also a SD card slot. And a HDMI port. Not complaining about their inclusion, and I do use them regularly, but why did the dongle company give these to us?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

That's what happens when designers boss engineers around. Form over function is pure cancer and it's becoming pervasive in our civilization due to the overwhelming ubiquity of propaganda(marketing). I have nothing but contempt for these trends.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I miss having a thousand different cables to keep track of /s

really, all we need is the companies to start packing those laptops with thunderbolt3 or equivalent USB-C (USB 4). I love the old ports, but they were unnecessary. I'd rather the industry finally takes on the open thunderbolt standard and we're all good to go. With 10 thunderbolt ports you have 10 HDMI, or 10 USB, or 10 Ethernet, or 10 headphone jacks, or 10 RJ45 or whatever you need + PCIe tunneling.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (12 children)

I'm good with it to be honest. One port that can do it all. Not proprietary.

The longer we keep including legacy ports the longer they'll stick around on peripheral devices

Manufactures won't change until forced. The transition period might be a bit painful, but worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

USB-C is awesome though. I carry one charger amd dongle for HDMI and ethernet. It serves my many devices including Steam Deck, phone and laptop.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

I actually prefer the standardization here. Sick of having 2 boxes of different cords.

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