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[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 minutes ago

Tbh this all seems to be related to following principles like Solid or following software design patterns. There's a few articles about CUPID, SOLID performance hits, etc

  • it all suggests that following software design patterns cost about a decade of hardware progress.
[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Ah yes, those precious precious CPU cycles. Why spend one hour writing a python program that runs for five minutes, if you could spend three days writing it in C++ but it would finish in five seconds. Way more efficient!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Welp, microcontrollers say hi

[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago

Welp, I'm not saying you should use Python for everything. But for a lot of applications, developer time is the bottleneck, not computing resources.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Because when it is to actually get paid work done, all the bloat adds up and that 3 days upfront could shave weeks/months of your yearly tasks. XKCD has a topic abut how much time you can spend on a problem before effort outweighs productivity gains. If the tasks are daily or hourly you can actually spend a lot of time automating for payback

And note this is one instance of task, imagine a team of people all using your code to do the task, and you get a quicker ROI or you can multiply dev time by people

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

You can write perfectly well structured and maintainable code in Python and still be more productive than in other languages.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

That also goes to show why to not waste 3 days to shave 2 seconds off a program that gets run once a week.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

exactly! i prefer python or ruby or even java MUCH more than assembly and maybe C

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean, I'd say it depends on what you do. When I see grad students writing numeric simulations in python I do think that it would be more efficient to learn a language that is better suited for that. And I know I'll be triggering many people now, but there is a reason why C and Fortran are still here.

But if it is for something small, yeah of course, use whatever you like. I do most of my stuff in R and R is a lot of things, but not fast.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

But if it is for something small, yeah of course, use whatever you like.

or if you have a deadline and using something else would make you miss that deadline.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm happy if it's actually running in python and not a javascript app with electron.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Idk, it's rare for an electron app to literally not even run. Meanwhile I'm yet to encounter a python app that doesn't require me to Google what specific environment the developer had and recreate it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

I think with pyenv and pipenv/UV you can create pretty reliable packaging. But it's not as common as electron, so it's a pain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

That's fair.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Why would an RTX 4090 make Python faster?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I bet an LLM could have written this meme without making that mistake.

Embarrassing.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Don’t worry this post was written by a first year computer science student who just learned about C. No need to look too closely at it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The only language worth discussing is brainfuck

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Purest of the programming languages

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 hours ago

Joke's on you, he was talking about "Phyton". /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

The new favorite language of AAA game studios: ~~Phyton~~ Python

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I know it makes me sound like an of man shouting at clouds but the other day I installed Morrowind and was genuinely blown away by how smooth and reliable it ran and all the content in the game fitting in 2gb of space. Skyrim requires I delete my other games to make room and still requires a whole second game worth of mods to match the stability and quantity of morrowind.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

That's fair, though honestly the only issue I ever had on the Xbox was having a loading screen every 5 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

High res textures (especially normal maps) and higher quality/coverage audio really made game sizes take off. Unreal's new "Nanite" tech, where models can have literally billions of polygons, actually reduces game size because no normal maps.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Love you homie 💋 walks away

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

It used to be pretty terrible, but the frameworks are getting there, starting with the languages they are based on.

Believe it or not, Java has been optimized a ton and can be written to be very efficient these days. Another great example of a high-level, high-efficiency language is Julia. And then there is Rust of course, which basically only sacrifices memory-efficiency for C-speeds with Python-esque comfort. It's getting better.