They have really gone all out on the whole enshittification process during the past couple of years, haven’t they?
this post was submitted on 13 Jun 2023
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Falling rate of profit etc. etc.
Should be fun to watch this accelerate during the incoming recession.
oh boy, I wish youtube kills itself like reddit is doing right now so decentralized alternatives can become widely adopted
When you have a goose that produces a reliable daily supply of golden eggs do you:
- keep collecting your daily egg
or - see if giving it a good kick or two gets you more eggs
Yeah, good luck making watch das trough newpipe
The great thing about using free open-source software is the immunity from corporate shenanigans.
Well, all the open-source Reddit clients are pretty drastically affected by Reddit's shenanigans.
RedReader isn't actually
As fill-in ads are a vector for computer viruses and other malware I for one will NOT be disabling my ad blocker unless YouTube is willing to provide a lifetime subscription to something like Life Lock and make me whole for anything lost to whatever malware arrives as a part of an ad.
Where else can I watch sci-show, Linus-tech-tips, and all the other channels I subscribe to?
YouTube is the only Google service I use on a regular basis. Happy to leave them behind if they continue with this type of behavior.
It would be less convenient, but it is what it is and if there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s ads.
Then I’m going to begin not fucking watching YouTube.
lol
There is a federated version of YouTube...
But storing video is a massive challenge, way harder than dealing with a Lemmy or Mastodon instance.
My rational mind realises it’s such an expensive system to run that it’s reasonable for them to charge or show ads. The problem is they’ve been extremely aggressive with ads and pushing subscriptions, to the point where I’m pretty resentful of the idea. Plus they’ve neglected so many things (like allowing aggressive copyright predators and refusing to implement sensible human-based appeals processes) that they really should have dealt with and instead embraced an algorithm that I’m pretty sure is at least partially responsible for the radicalisation of large groups of people.
I.. don’t mind paying for shit. I just don’t want to give them money.
Also: wow there’s federated video sharing? Bet that’s not cheap to run.
I think the other issue is that giving them money doesn’t stop some of the ads iirc
I actually do not understand the widespread hostility that people have toward this kind of thing. I watch a lot of content on YouTube, and I don't want to see ads, so I pay for premium. I watch a lot of content on Twitch, and I don't want to see ads, so I pay for turbo. Hosting a major video streaming website isn't cheap. It's not like these things are unreasonably priced. If you hate the ads so much, then why not pay for the service that the platform is offering you, and for the content that creators are providing on it? And if you don't watch often enough for ad-free viewing to be worth a few bucks a month to you, then why get so worked up about having to sit through an ad every now and then?
And if you don’t watch often enough for ad-free viewing to be worth a few bucks a month to you, then why get so worked up about having to sit through an ad every now and then?
There is an awkward gap where most services (not just YouTube) don't offer reasonable pricing for consuming small amounts of content. So if you consume a lot of YouTube, the subscription price is justified. If you consume very little YouTube, you can probably suffer through some ads. But if you're somewhere in the middle, there isn't a great option.
YouTube probably makes fractions of a cent off of ads on a single video it shows me, but I can't pay fractions of a cent to watch one video.
I'd consider this to actually be a pretty widespread problem across the internet, where it's frustratingly difficult to buy small amounts of content for a reasonable price. It's either the subscription or nothing for a ton of services.
I can't speak for everyone, but I block ads and don't pay because I hate Google. In addition to their repeated violations of user privacy, they go out of their way to disable OS features unless you pay them. Like disabling background play or PiP with Safari on iOS. Those features use the same open standards as foreground web browsers, so it literally takes extra effort to break them. Effort that could instead be used to fix the numerous problems with their platform, which they don't. I refuse to reward that behaviour.
When will companies finally understand that some people won‘t watch ads no matter what tricks they employ. I‘d rather watch no video at all than a single ad. If that is their goal, fine.
And the percentage of people using ad blocking has to be crazy low. I've never seen another person in public with ad blocking. Every time I happen to see someone watching youtube, there's ads playing.
I really think that Brave will circumvent this. Btw, YouTube will sue Invidious if they don't stop offering the service in the following weeks. So I think YouTube is onto something here.
I pay for a youtube premium family plan. Best money I spend monthly. I want to support the youtube creators that I watch, I don't have to see ads (I block them anyway), and I get a music service included.
Does any of that money really goes to creators?
I do not have first hand knowledge, but I have heard that premium viewers are much more valuable to a channel than ad supported views. I also support channels I enjoy through Patreon as well. I would much rather pay and be a customer than do "free" services where my info is just the product for corporations.
revanue from yt premium views is like 1000x from ad views. that's probably only going to get larger.
if you dont believe in paying for your media then you give power to the advertisers.
It is clear that YT needs income for its infrastructure and showing ads is a valid method, also to offer a premium account. If it were to see a banner on the page or even on the edge or below the video, it would be acceptable, but it is not when they destroy a concert with advertorials in the middle of the video or other too invasive ones that do not allow the video to be seen. With this, the use of an adblocker becomes a legitimate and necessary defense. If they still do not allow it, there is no other option than to use one of these front-ends or desktop-clients that exist, which extract the video without the ads, or go to adblockers at DNS level in the OS. Too bad that YT, regarding content offer, lacks valid competitors and this position can lead to abuse in front of the user.
I'm surprised it took them this long
small cease and desist for users
We did the Twitter to Mastodon migration. Now we are doing the Reddit to Lemmy/kbin migration. When are we doing the YouTube to Peertube migration?
That's impossible or at least very difficult, right now. Video content is very expensive. LBRY is the only feasible option.
I feel like extensions are pretty savvy for fixing this. If not, I will waste less time on YouTube. Hell, why not another big site getting over my limit for hoops that are worth jumping through vs value I get.
Yup, a lot of my time got wasted on YouTube.. I watched "educational" and "interesting" videos but I have to say that many of the creators got caught into enshittification process too.. I would do well with 95% reduction in watch time. However, if they start a real war against adblockers.. 100% reduction will it be.
Hopefully we get a decent alternative soon
PeerTube exists but it is not popular. It has a lot of potential though
It's about to have more potential for growth.
Seems like it's profit squeezin season on every major platform.
As irritating as it is. I do understand. The internet and things on the internet can’t just be free, and ads is how we pay.
I do highly disagree with how many ads they’ve been playing with implementing.