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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 week ago (63 children)

It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.

I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.

But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they are Isreali or Russian psy ops accounts (or at least useful idiots that have bought the psy ops).

When the war started, Lemmy was overrun by the "criticism of Isreal is antisemetic" accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the "never genocide" people took their place.

It almost seems like a change in tactics to achieve the same goal.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

the “criticism of Israel is antisemitism” accounts are gone because they were banned. Zionism and the insistence that a genocidal state is indivisible from an entire ethnic group is racism, and against most instance’s TOS.

“never genocide” content does not break TOS and so has lasted since october 7th through today. to the uninformed eye this dynamic might look like a change in tactic but really it’s just two different groups, one which got banned after a few days or weeks and one which did not.

just correcting your “change in tactics”/“it’s astroturfing” narrative. i don’t think it holds up in comparison to a much more likely explanation, and i might even use the word ludicrous to describe your argument unless you can provide further evidence.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Considering the fediverse's low market share compared to non-federated alternatives, I'd be suprised if any malicious actors waste time and money running a psyops here. Like, you reach more people on Reddit for the same ammount of effort.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

thank you for saying this skskkssk. Occam’s razor: is it more likely that foreign psy-ops have incredibly poor cost-benefit analysis skills (while excelling in everything else), or that a couple dozen people have deeply held beliefs that led them to be vocal in the midst of tragedy?

call me crazy but the latter narrative makes a lot fewer assumptions.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (51 children)

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (7 children)

They're easy targets. Blame the abstainers and third party voters and you don't have to confront the legitimate failures of your party and campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (27 children)

Friendly reminder that Joe Biden is still the president and could stop sending weapons to Israel right now if he wanted to. But he doesn't.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (28 children)

Dems failed and people who abhor genocide unfortunately had little to do with it, though listening to Lemmy libs you'd think they personally destroyed her campaign

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

They need someone to blame. Taking on blame themselves for ignoring voters? That's preposterous! Those votes are clearly owed in the democracy that they're the saviors of.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (24 children)

Had nothing to do with it.. or at least insignificantly. The Dems on a platform of "were not him" and the economy is booming.. while people where hurting and got shafted by the wave of devaluation.. people are angry.. and the let's keep going on the same path and change nothing and so nothing party did not get people out to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (5 children)

They voted for a worse genocide.

In 2 different places no less and possibly more.

They just don't know it yet.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Last I checked Trump lost 3 million voters since last election, and Harris lost 10 million.

The couch won. It's not like people were suddenly won over by a person they've likely seen through 3 election cycles.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’ve a feeling some of them know it. They’re just remaining here to maintain enough credibility to be believable during the next propaganda wave that’ll hit us once trump allows his boss to crater Kiev.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You forgot at home, where the marginalized groups are also gonna feel the brunt of turnips policies.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Amazingly, nobody's happy that the dems decided to sacrifice the whole country rather than budge on exterminating the Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

I mean, Kamala really wanted Republicans in the white house with her. I bet she's elated to see how many will be in there now.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Maybe pick a candidate that people want to vote for next time

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Democratic party or a campaign can't fail, they can only be failed, right OP?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I haven't seen them go quiet.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

*I voted for future genocide instead of present genocide.

Edit: I do empathize with people not voting for Harris as a protest vote. I personally think it is counter productive, but I can see that if the system won't allow someone to act ethically, then it makes sense to reject the system.

What I don't understand is voting for Trump as a protest vote instead. He has shown he has no inclination to support Palestine from his last administration and his ties to evangelical groups indicates he would be even worse for the situation than Harris. If anyone disagrees, I'd appreciate to hear the justification either in a reply or DM if you don't want randos flaming you.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I voted for ~~future~~ more genocide instead of present genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And the genocide just worsens, with another soon in Ukraine

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They should be so happy to have achieved what they voted for. This is their utopia too and they deserve to enjoy the fruits of their single-principle voting as well.

When they see people sick and poor with no support or hope, young girls risking life and limb to bear the children of their rapists, rotting infrastructure and a rampant xenophobic kleptocracy, they need to stand and say "I helped make this happen!"

Be proud of the utopia you helped build by voting for the Russian agent; either one.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

"Their votes alone didn't swing the election" and "Their actions were the opposite of helpful in preventing genocide" can both be true.

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