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Apple Removes Ability to Run Unsigned Apps in macOS 15.1 (lunduke.locals.com)
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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I'm going to roll my eyes: if you read the change it's literally 'Instead of cmd-clicking, you need to hit 'okay cool' in the control panel', not YOU CANT RUN UNSIGNED SOFTWAER!!@11!!111

The reason for this change was, shockingly, because malicious asshats were putting up malware pages telling people 'oh you have to cmd-click to install totally legit thing here!' and this puts a nice warning up in front of less-educated people in the hopes of preventing the spread of malware.

I'm 100% for this change since it literally adds 3 seconds of clicking a single time for an app, and makes it where my family members are less likely to get totally screwed over.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The article says that was for 15 and 15.1 blocks them entirely

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 hours ago

I'm literally using 15.1 right now, and set up 86box las tonight which is unsigned.

You hit a button in the control panel, say 'fine', enter your password and it runs.

So no, that's not how it works and he's just plain wrong, but it's Lunduke who is usually wrong when he's not being a chud, so that's the usual for him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Seems a few people have gotten that confused. Article spent too much time rehashing the change in 15.0 before getting to 15.1 and felt like a typical ragebait article.

Still seems a little ragebaity, they don't really have a lot of proof that Apple has intentionally disabled running unsigned apps. Their argument is that Apple changed the process for running in 15.0 and an app won't start in 15.1, therefore the end of the era of sideloading. Personally, I would've liked more details on that part and less on history of 15.0.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This makes sense. Still, as someone who used Marcos on and off for 4 years, there's literally been times where I gave up on frustration because some sort of app didn't run for "security" reasons

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

someone who used Marcos

Polos!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Christ almighty what clickbait bullshit… here’s the changelog of the change:

In macOS Sequoia, users will no longer be able to Control-click to override Gatekeeper when opening software that isn't signed correctly or notarized. They'll need to visit System Settings > Privacy & Security to review security information for software before allowing it to run.

Plus you can completely disable gatekeeper in the terminal. Y’all can put away your pitchforks now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is a million times better than the current. Using homebrew, you often have to re-approve apps that brew ended up reinstalling in a manner to remove the previous exception.

Now, worst-case, it's the same process as any other app permission, and best case, it can be adjusted via the terminal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

--no-quarantine is your friend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Apple's processors may be impressive these days, but that doesn't make up for the fact that their computers are getting ever less useful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I have stopped giving Apple my money, for this among other reasons. I have to say, though, that Asahi Linux makes a compelling case for repurposing their hardware for better use.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Nice, when they introduced the AppStore I was convinced that this would happen within a few years and as a developer I moved off Apple products and towards more open hardware and software. I was confused why - while they did it from the start on iOS - they kept allowing side-loading on their computers. In the end they just tried to cook the frog slowly so it wouldn't jump out of the saucepan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 41 minutes ago

The article is straight up BS. You can still run unsigned apps. The approval is just in a different place now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I shouldn't be but I am honestly kind of shocked. MacOS was supposed to be for everyone, pros and laypeople allike. Not a mac user so I can't be sure, but if windows removed this ability a ton of software from random github projects or self compiled software would become useless. DON'T THEY KNOW THAT? They can't possibly think, the people running apps like that will get a developer subscription just to run that one random app they use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Apple user appreciates Tim Apple's afford to save them from themselves

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Unironically yes. I don’t want my mom or child doing this, and I know how to in a few seconds if I want. Things like this make my life as the family sysadmin easier.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

fair point, i did see below its a setting. google has a similar one.

still fuck tim apple but valid point is a valid point, cheers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

As a power user, disabling something in the CLI once rather than approving every app is more convenient.

There’s no way they can prevent it entirely unless they make their own developers sign their apps before running test builds, as well as every other developer. Doing so would be so hostile that people would stop developing for the Mac.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Like a fridge or kitchen appliance that rejects foods from your local store, your neighbours' or your own produce... Pretty useless.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I have no problems with this. Notarizing your app is trivial and takes just a few minutes. As a user I want to know who actually produced an app and ensure it wasn’t tampered with.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It looks like you have to have a paid Apple developer account to do it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago

Which is a complete non-issue. It’s $99 / year, basically a symbolic amount just high enough to prevent spammers from making a billion accounts.