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From threatening cage matches to backing RFK Jr., billionaires prove too much money detaches a person from reality

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Our billionaires are not okay. The most obvious example, of course, is Musk, who is having a midlife crisis so unhinged that it would be upsetting if he weren't such a terrible person. He purchased Twitter for $44 billion last year, out of nothing more than a fit of pique over the company's efforts to keep the social media app from being too overrun by Nazis. As the company swirls down the toilet under his watch, his public behavior gets ever more erratic. The threat from Threads, a Meta-owned competitor that launched earlier this month, caused Musk, age 52, to react with a level of immaturity that would be cause for alarm in a junior high school kid. He challenged Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg to a "cage match." And then again to a "literal dick measuring contest." He keeps throwing schoolboy insults at Zuckerberg.

Kinda hilarious and sad at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And these are the kinds of people who become CEOs and Executives. They are not humanity's best, they are, quite honestly, humanity's worst.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

The upsetting thing is how many millions of people look up to them and try to emulate them just because they're billionaires.

Doesn't matter what kind of absolutely disgusting, horrible human being the person in question is - "But he's a successful business man!!" is all it takes to convince many people that they should aspire to act in the exact same way.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who thought giving trust fund kids a bunch of tax payer dollars was a good idea LOL

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I worked for a trust fund kid. It started off great until I realized he had no understanding of how money worked. Despite him saying / thinking he cared about the bottom line and the well being of the company, he really only cared about his ego and if his (rich) family thought he was successful.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

The only thing really bad about their outlook, is it's not true for everyone.

UBI is basically "trust funds for all"

If everyone had a guaranteed income that would cover living expenses, a bunch of people wouldn't be so hyper fixated on money

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I worked for a guy who was given his family's company. When I told him my 4th birthday was approaching he tried to relate to me by asking if I was getting a boat over 40 ft because "a man's age should never be less than his age.". Because not only did he think I had a massive boat, he also thought I would buy a new one as I grew older.

This guy also refused to hire actual employees if he didn't have to. Everyone was "temp".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have some friends in higher places than I.

One was doing the move from California to Vegas that a lot of people with money did a few years back.

I had asked him to explain, and he started with “ok, so say you make a million dollars a year…”

Sir, I have never seen that many zeroes in my bank account, fuck you mean?

Love him… but he’s a bit out of touch.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Other trust fund kids

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I heard trips to the titanic are great for them to release some pressure.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Maybe some based rocket engineer can switch out some metrics with some imperial next Bezo space flight.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In addition to taxation, make them share their wealth with all of their employees. Their working people deserve the money more than the government.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ideally, tax money would be spent by the government in a way that benefits workers.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Walmart employees get a ton of welfare money but are still mistreated. It would be better for the workers if they had a say in how the company was run, rather than getting their employment subsidized by tax money.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I was making $15/hr at Walmart over the pandemic when I just couldn’t stand to be at home anymore.

I was STILL on food stamps and had Medicaid.

It’s asinine, I’m not even mad they fucked with the heiresses boat in Ibiza.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

The workers should control the means of production. Imagine if every worker owned a stake in the company they worked for and got to vote on corporate decisions...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Exactly. The higher taxes should all go to healthcare, education and housing for working class people. And the leftovers should simply become dividends to provide additional support to the neediest. Oh and if people have issues with ‘welfare checks make people lazy’ or some other BS that’s repeatedly been proven to be nothing more than racist neoliberal propaganda then use the rest to fund something like the green new deal and all the jobs that will create. Or incubators for worker co-ops which are not only more fair and democratic in terms of allocation of wealth but make this kind of exploitative elite profiteering impossible.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really glad to see this take. Nobody balks at the idea that 'hoarding' is a mental health issue when poor people do it. It's about time we recognize obscene wealth is bad for everyone in society, including the people who hold it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe things would change if the billionaires were convinced it’s bad for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It’s not as simple as raising taxes when they use creative accounting to live “at a loss” and pay for everything with loans while most of their holdings remain untaxable.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

It's quite annoying that it is so plain to see how wealthy these people are, yet they're able to make themselves dirt poor on paper.

If only there was a way to force them to liquidate, rather than living on loans perpetually backed by their stock assets.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

pay for everything with loans while most of their holdings remain untaxable.

Those loans are drying up...

But just because that exists doesn't mean we can't stop it.

Just write a law that cumulative loans over $x get charged a tax due when the loan is made. Have the bank treat it like "sales tax" and process it themselves before making the payment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Raise taxes" clearly also includes things like ending the 15% long term capital gains rate so they have to pay real income tax like the rest of us and fixing other things like that

It just means make them pay more by unspecified means

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Absolutely correct, increase their taxes, close the legal loopholes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Look no further than Hollywood studios for a primer in creative accounting, they’ve kept tens millions for themselves over decades.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really the best thing we can do is give in to their fantasies and convince people like Elon Musk that he can kill a tiger with his bare hands

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

There goes my hero, watch him as he goes.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Sure, but more to the point, we need to overhaul the entire socio-economic system. The neolibs experiment in deregulation and privatization and prioritizing profit growth has manifestly failed.

The stunningly stupid thing is that we basically have the tech to automate a huge amount of the labor required to produce all the stuff humans need and to at least try to do that sustainably, the problem is we don’t know how to organize a society that can run on much less human labor.

What keeps me up at night is the thought that one obvious way to reorganize around a much smaller human labor requirement is to have a much smaller population. Isn’t that the radical right end game here? Isn’t that why Very Rich People have gone full fascist?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most of the words you just wrote are insurmountable to the average voter. But no. The Very Rich People don't want the population to decrease. They can dogwhistle to conservative voters about "demographic group x" and how they want them gone, but the ruling class needs infinite growth, and you can't have infinite growth (realistically at all) without a growing population.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let us relieve them of their burdens.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

For anyone wondering, 92% is the highest rate we had. Before Reagen, 70% was the highest bracket for 10 years. We need to get back to it.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/historical-highest-marginal-income-tax-rates

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In a way I commend the likes of Musk for galvanizing people against billionaires and advancing social movements. He's so dislikable that it's productive.

People don't always grasp the amount of money a billionaire has. Let's put it in perspective:

A billionaire looks at $200,000 the same way a person with a $100,000 salary looks at $20 (for reference, a 1-millionaire looks at $200 the same).

It's also worth noting the power billionaires have relative to their country's size. Looking at Number of billionaires per million people. You could probably take this and weigh it further against the median per-capita GDP to see how much clout one billionaire has versus the population. For example, while India has a low # of billionaires / million people, the power the ~169 billionaires there have an overwhelming share of the total wealth of that nation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's funny to me is that many years ago Musk was viewed by a lot of the internet as this great engineering golden boy. Once cemented in the untouchable ranks of the gilded elite he opened his mouth more publically and fell flat on his face.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's the power of branding and a good PR team, at least until Musk got high on his own supply and fired his PR team. His rise and fall is a bit similar to Purdue Pharma's Oxycontin marketing campaign; once the veneer of altruism was peeled off revealing an ant's nest of lies and greed destroying people's lives for profit, hype turned to horror.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

A lot of his fans really thought he was some genius Tony Stark when in reality he just had loads of money to hire smart people to do the thinking for him. Something always rubbed me wrong with him even from the early days.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dunno about them, but my mental health would be improved if those parasites paid taxes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Would have to be global though to not take their wealth out of the country.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I've been preaching this for years. That level of greed is disgusting and should really be dissected as a society to understand what makes someone like that. It's a huge personality disorder.

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