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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm always impressed how this point is usually happily ignored in the US. You had a sane public transport network ffs. You destroyed it on purpose to now pretend it's not possible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

In my city museum (itself located in a former passenger train terminal) there is a 1/64 scale model of the city from the 1930s-40s, complete with the full streetcar system with trains that run. Every time I go there, it fills me with rage at what was destroyed.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s so depressing. Our city in Australia had such a good robust tram network and they ripped it all out because they hired an American urban planner that promoted cars is the future. Now instead we have a long car tunnel named after the Lord Mayor that was responsible for it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brisbane! Largest act of public vandalism in history, pretty sure it was the largest tram network in the southern hemisphere

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

in the southern hemisphere

On a side note: I'm always amused by grand claims that get ever more specific.

"the largest in the southern hemisphere's third biggest metropolis that has a giant guitar with at least three strings and a large pineapple"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember to ~ask~ demand grade separate transit, folks!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Weird it renders right on my app/device. Good to know!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve always read that freeways are too steep and turns too sharp for rail, but Brightline says newer European trains are light and powerful enough to make it up the Cajon Pass in the median of the 15, so let’s stop screwing around with a single track for trains in the median. Just take the leftmost lane in each direction. Most of the cost is right-of-way acquisition; let’s use the one we already have. It’ll be better than nothing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The interstate standard max grade is 6% and that's only used when there's no other option over mountains. The limit for standard passenger trains seems yo be 4-5%. So it's not that different, the vast majority of the interstate corridor could support passenger trains. Not freight trains through, those need a much gentler grade.

The US has essentially built a railway network with the interstates, it's just paved over and less efficient.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also for the extreme cases, don't forget cog railways. The steepest one is Pilatus railway with maximum gradient of 48%. Good luck trying something like that with a car.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We have light rail in Denver, but it's not really the same as a streetcar system. Buses aren't, either. Imagine if I could just walk to the grocery store without running a gauntlet of trucks and commuters. The unfortunate thing with where I lived was the light rail station was on the other side of one of the most ridiculously pedestrian-hostile intersections I've ever seen. I guess I could take an Uber there...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine if I could just walk to the grocery store without running a gauntlet of trucks and commuters

This is half zoning, and half road design.

Too many areas in the US micromanage the built environment and force people to live unwalkably far from stores instead of having mixed-use zoning.

And then we have roads that are designed around the idea that the only people who matter are in cars.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think I was dealing with one of those situations where racist/classist people in the 60s built highways to separate areas of town. There were small Asian and Central American grocery stores near me, where I had to cross 1 or 0 large roads... but the wealthier, mainly white area of town, with the Post Office and bar district, Safeway and Natural Grocers etc? Good luck. Good news is they're currently redesigning it. For anyone familiar, I mean the interchange of I-25, Santa Fe and Alameda in Denver.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Denver also had a street car network until the 1950s. There are still spots around downtown where you can still see the trails poking through the asphalt. They didn't even rip up the old rails. They just paved over them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I used to live in a city in the northern Midwest that like many others had a street car network, until they took them out in the 30s for the usual bullshit “sell more cars” reasons. You could still go to a city lot and see the old street cars laying around, junked out. Such a regressive waste.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Traffic, pollution, and the cost of owning a vehicle wouldn't be such big factors in day-to-day life. I'm sometimes floored at average commute times, it adds up to years of your life spent sitting in traffic. Not to mention car accidents.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's a streetcar? A tram?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Think electric busses, on rail tracks imbedded in the street.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeap that's a tram.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I saw a stat going around a couple years ago that back at the streetcar peak, you could travel from like NYC to Madison,WI entirely by street car (I'm paraphrasing; can't remember the exact cities.) Does anyone know the stat I'm talking about? Would love to find the source

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Come to Melbourne, Australia. We have trams .