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[–] [email protected] 134 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Reminds me of quantum-bogosort: randomize the list; check if it is sorted. If it is, you're done; otherwise, destroy this universe.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Guaranteed to sort the list in nearly instantaneous time and with absolutely no downsides that are capable of objecting.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You still have to check that it's sorted, which is O(n).

We'll also assume that destroying the universe takes constant time.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In the universe where the list is sorted, it doesn't actually matter how long the destruction takes!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It actually takes a few trillion years but its fine because we just stop considering the "failed" universes because they will be gone soon™ anyway.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Eh, trillion is a constant

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

amortized O(0)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We'll also assume that destroying the universe takes constant time.

Well yeah just delete the pointer to it!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Except you missed a bug in the "check if it's sorted" code and it ends up destroying every universe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

There's a bug in it now, that's why we're still here.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The creation and destruction of universes is left as an exercise to the reader

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Creation is easy, assuming the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Instead of destroying the universe, can we destroy prior, failed shuffle/check iterations to retain o(1)? Then we wouldn't have to reload all of creation into RAM.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Delete prior iterations of the loop in the same timeline? I'm not sure there's anything in quantum mechanics to permit that...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What library are you using for that?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

is-sorted and a handful of about 300 other npm packages. Cloning the repo and installing takes about 16 hours but after that you're pretty much good for the rest of eternity

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

that explains why it took god 7 days to make the universe

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

In Python you just use

import destroy_universe
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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My favorite is StalinSort. You go through the list and eliminate all elements which are not in line.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

you should post this on lemmy.ml

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

it would be a pretty funny post for the full 5 minutes it would last until it got stalin sorted out of lemmy.ml

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

They would see nothing wrong with it

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I tend to prefer Hiroshima sort. Sorting completed in O(1) time, and it frees up memory too.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago
// portability

Gave me the giggles. I've helped maintain systems where this portable solution would have left everyone better off.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder how many 2 item lists have been sorted that way IRL.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)
import yhwh  

def interventionSort(unsortedList):
    sortedList = yhwh.pray(
    "Oh great and merciful Lord above, let thine glory shine upon yonder list!", 
    unsortedList
    )  
    return sortedList
[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Camelcase in python, ew, a fundamentalist would do that

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The most beautiful thing about this program is that it would work.

Various bit flips will once lead to all numbers being in the correct order. No guarantee the numbers will be the same, though...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Those bitflips are probably more likely to skip the section erroneously than waiting for the array to be sorted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fair enough! But won't they flip again to start the program?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Might also take a very long time (or a large amount of radiation).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Reminds me of a program in Homestuck. It's code that iterates until the author/universe dies, then executes some unknown code. The coding language is ~ath, or TilDeath.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not necessarily. I don't have the numbers in front if me, but there is actually a probability that, past that point, something is so unlikely that you can consider it to be impossible (I.e. will never happen within the lifetime of the universe)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not sure there's any guarantee that it will ever be sorted, since bit flips will be random and are just as likely to put it more out of order than more in order. Plus if there's any error correction going on, it can cancel out bit flips entirely until up to a certain threshold.

Though I'm not sure if ECC (and other methods) write the corrected value back to memory or just correct the signals going to the core, so it's possible they could still add up over time and overcome the second objection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

ECC (and other methods) write the corrected value back to memory

That was my understanding (it corrects the error and writes the good value back to RAM), but now I'm not so sure! I imagine it must do that, otherwise a second bit flip would actually corrupt the RAM, and the RAM manufacturer would want to reduce that risk.

Regular ECC adds an extra parity bit for each byte. For each byte of memory, it can correct an error in one bit, and detect but not correct an error in two bits, so they wouldn't want a one bit error to linger for longer than it needs to.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I prefer the one where you randomly sort the array until all elements are in order. ( Bogosort )

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the algoritm I use at work.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

I hear, it actually significantly increases the chance of the miracle occurring when you pass the array into multiple threads. It's a very mysterious algorithm.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you can also call it quantum sort since there is non zero probability that it will sort itself by random flips

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It would actually have happened an infinite amount of times already, if either the universe is infinite, or there are infinite universes.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Shameless plug for my sort lib

edit: Looking at my old code it might be time to add typescript, es6 and promises to make it ✨  p r o d u c t i o n   r e a d y  ✨

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Goos stuff, I will start using it. My code needs to chill out anyway

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hello programmers...

I recently took a course that went through basic python, C, and C++.

I had a hard time implementing various forms of sorting functions by hand (these were exercises for exam study). Are there any resources you folks would recommend so that I can build a better grasp of sorting implementations and efficiency?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Skiena's Algorithm design manual is very widely recommended for learning algorithms, I've also heard good things about A common sense guide to algorithms and data structures. Skiena's also has video lectures on YouTube if you prefer videos.

From what I've seen, a common sense guide seems to be more geared towards newer programmers while Skiena assumes more experience. Consequently, Skiena goes into more depth while A common sense guide seems to be more focused on what you specifically asked for. algorithm design manual A common sense guide

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

don't get discouraged. sorting algorithms occur frequently in interviews, and yes you use them a decent amount (especially in languages without built in sorts like c) but they are one of the harder things to visualize in terms of how they work. I'd say avoid anything recursive for now until you can get selection and insertion down pat. check out geeksforgeeks articles on them, but also don't be afraid to Google willy nilly, you'll find the resource that makes it click eventually.

in terms of efficiency, it does become a little more difficult to grasp without some math background. big o is known as asymptomatic notation, and describes how a function grows. for example, if you graph f1(x)=15log(x) and f2(x)=x, you'll notice that if x is bigger than 19, then f2(x) always has a higher output value than f1(x). in computer science terms, we'd say f1 is O(log(n)), meaning it has logarithmic growth, and f2 is O(n), or linear growth. the formal definition of big o is that f(x) is O(g(x)), if and only if (sometimes abbreviated as iff) there exists constants N and C such that |f(x)| <= C|g(x)| for all x>N. in our example, we can say that C = 1, and N>19, so that fulfills definition as |15log(x)| <= 1|x| whenever x>19. therefore, f1(x) is O(f2(x)). apologies for just throwing numbers at you, (or if you've heard all this before) but having even just the most basic grasp of the math is gonna help a lot. again, in terms of best resources, geeksforgeeks is always great and googling can help you find thousands of more resources. trust that you are not the first person to have trouble with these and most people before you have asked online about it as well.

I also highly reccomend grabbing a copy of discrete mathematics and it's applications by Kenneth Rosen to dig farther into the math. there's a few other types of asymptomatic notation such os big omega and big theta, even little o, that I didn't mention here but are useful for comparing functions in slightly different ways. it's a big book but it starts at the bottom and is generally pretty well written and well laid out.

feel free to dm me if you have questions, I'm always down to talk math and comp sci.

edit: in our example, we could also pick c =19 and n = 1, or probably a few other combinations as well. as long as it fills the definition it's correct.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And the time complexity is only O(1)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think you can check if array of n elements is sorted in O(1), if you skip the check though and just assume it is sorted now (have faith), then the time would be constant, depending on how long you're willing to wait until the miracle happens. As long as MTM (Mean Time to Miracle) is constant, the faithfull miracle sort has O(1) time complexity, even if MTM is infinite. Faithless miracle sort has at best the complexity of the algorithm that checks if the array is sorted.

Technically you can to down to O(0) if you assume all array are always sorted.

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