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[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

The people are tired of the Dems presenting them with weak bullshit solutions to their very real problems and being told to get on board because the alternative is worse. The cost of living in America is drowning the middle class and the Dems keep throwing us water wings.

I don't agree that Trump's policies are the answer but I can understand desperate people looking anywhere for some relief.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

The problem wasn't Harris or her platform, it was that more than half of American voters are fucking idiots. Massive public stupidity is a problem no politician and no platform can cure. We've spent more than half a century addicting ourselves to entertainment and convenience. We need everything presented to us in memes now. America collectively has shit for brains, so we're going to have a sack of shit for President. Congrats y'all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

So when will the Democratic Party unveil it's grand plan to actually RESIST all this fascism?

Does anyone have a schedule, perhaps?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

That’s not at all what happened.

The donkey showed people the positions and the people sat at home.

The same assholes as usual voted Republican and that’s how Trump won.

People were lazy, disinterested, and not motivated to vote for the incumbent party.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It's not their platform was weak. It's that they are weak. They hold their tongue while their opponents are jerking off in their face. They mind their Ps & Qs while someone holds a gun to a child's head somewhere in America. They govern "responsibly" while half the government is on fire. There is no sense of urgency, there is no sense of reality, there is no sense they actually give a fuck.

It's easy to stand up there at the podium and wane intellectual about filling the sky with stars and ask us all to "keep fighting" but where was your fight? How did you lose to this with everything on the line?

Why would we fight for a bunch of fish to be thrown on land so we can sit there and watch them flop around drowning in a political environment that is killing them?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

I might go one further and say "Look, you need to take my platform seriously!" isn't a winning message when the last guy lied about his platform. Biden took office promising a bunch of BernieBro shit - debt forgiveness, climate change reform, prosecution of corrupt officials from the prior administration, voting reform - and then failed to deliver. Obama ran into the same shit after 2008, tanking his majorities in 2010 and then pulling through despite a negative approval rating in 2012, because he did not deliver the goods.

How did you lose to this with everything on the line?

Its easy to forget that conservatives (particularly the heavy hitters) also have a ton of shit on the line. You'll notice Wall Street loves a full GOP House/Senate/Presidency and the market is surging. Crypto is surging. Elon Musk and the Winklevoss Twins and the Murdochs and even Bezos are bullish on the next four years. These people had vast fortunes on the line and they acted like it. They turned the country against the Democrats by hook and by crook, through their mass media and their industrial stoogies.

The Democrats needed their old allies in the labor movement to push back. They needed teachers and university students. They needed the urban professional class. But after Biden sold out the rail unions and failed to support service sector or aerospace or even the fucking Postal Service? After he flubbed debt forgiveness for college grads? After he let state governments (in Red and Blue states alike) run roughshod over public education? Who was left?

Dems immolated their own base, chasing the traditionally conservative upper middle class white homeowners. Schumer promised that every blue collar voter who went to Trump would be replaced by two suburban moms. Oops.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe if Trump starts executing them, and shit becomes win or die for them like it is for a lot of people, then maybe they'll start thinking about how to win at all costs (like listening to what people actually want) instead of "we want to win, but only as long as it doesn't adversely affect our donor daddies"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

No, they need to be replaced. They're complicit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

They don't give a damn shit. It's all smiles, jokes and smirks nowadays.

I think mama Kamala would've had a way better chance of win if she just offered a simple public apology for force-labouring so many poor people before shifting policies 180°. Instead they do that yesterday, then the exact opposite today and a big laugh in your face.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

2008- Popular vote (D) 69,498,516 vs. [R] 59,948,323
2012- Popular vote (D) 65,915,795 vs. [R] 60,933,504
2016- Popular vote (D) 65,853,514 vs. [R] 62,984,828
2020- Popular vote (D) 81,283,501 vs. [R] 74,223,975
2024- Popular vote (D) 68,092,002 vs. [R] 72,747,033

Trump lost some voters. Kamala lost WAY more voters. Find out why 15 million voters overall didn't vote. Or more particularly, find out why all those voters came out in 2020 and not in 2016 or 2024.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

I would say 2020 was more the outlier then anything. Then again, that was right after 4 years of trump and you know waves hands all the crap that happened then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

They took the threat seriously and we really didn't take it seriously again.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.

It wasn't high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn't see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.

People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they've repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.

Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They're leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there's nobody left to blame now but the party itself.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

At her Michigan Rally two days ago she vowed to do all she can to end the war in Gaza. Granted it was way too little too late. No idea why she waited until a day before the election to say the thing everybody has been wanting her to say since the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Harris actively banished Gaza from her campaign. She did not allow Palestine at the DNC. She promised to keep sending weapons to Israel. Her position was extremely clear.

Vague lip service two days before the election means nothing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

The writing really was on the wall, unfortunately

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

It's not a war, it's a genocide. The UN is able to call it a genocide. The Hague is able to call it a genocide. The fact that Harris refused to acknowledge it as a genocide meant that nothing further would actually be done.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Because she saw that she was gonna lose. Or thought it would fly under the radar to not piss off more but somehow convince others that she meant it?

The Democrats seemed to have thought the election a game that could be won with clever tactics and moves the whole time instead of meeting the challenge head on. Truly a shit show of poor party management.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The ceasefire in Gaza was always bullshit and it was obviously bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Weak platform my ass. Half of the US population is simply too brainwashed to even comprehend what Kamala offered them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Trump lost votes from last election. Kamela lost a fuck ton more. No one became a trump voter, kamela offered nothing to the left and expected support. Do I wish my fellow leftists would of voted for self preservation? Fuck yeah I do. But at the end of the day it's the candidate at fault. And Kamala did everything in her fucking power to lose the left vote. It's the same every god damn time with the Democrats. You want something to focus your anger at? Focus it at the party fighting trump 2024 with Trump's 2020 border wall, military, immigration ass policies.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

Other then not Trump (a fair offer to be honest) what did she offer voters? She seemed to run on a status quo platform.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Half the population can't accept basic reality anymore.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don't turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Harris wasn't pro ceasfire in Gaza, please stop gaslighting people.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"vote for a ceasefire" is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I'm not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Too complicated for 90% of voters to comprehend.

They saw: Democrat president made my groceries more expensive

They heard: Democrat replacement will do things around the same as they used to be. Republican guy is going to do things VERY differently.

And the herd mentality took over past that point

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (13 children)

You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.

The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.

They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Their platform was weak.

They ran an old man with brain damage for most of the campaign.

His replacement spent two months of campaign time telling poverty wage workers to be joyful and didn't even put a platform on their website until a few weeks before the election. Watching that felt very tone deaf and condescending.

The other meme they repeated was how weird Trump and Vance are, as if they didn't already objectively know the voters don't care about that.

They didn't run a good campaign.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

2 days before election Harris announced legalized marijuana and 1 day before that she mentuoned she would be ok looking into Gaza more.

Her "first time homebuyers" aid was actually only for first generational homebuyers mainly immigrants and who had rented from a corporate owned apartment complex for 2 years.

Her business aid plan was for people who already had a business operating in specific cities and areas for "black men and others" to get loans. emphasis on "others" being her's not mine.

It was a campaign of protecting status quo first, not people. While telling them they didn't realize how good they had it.

Weak is an understatement.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well I'm glad we dodged having an old man with brain damage in the White House... ooh wait.

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