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[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

To be fair, other countries want US citizens even less than the US wants* immigrants.

Do people actually think that the US is alone in anti-immigration sentiment? Do they think it’s different because they’re American?

The US is the one with a giant monument to immigration, at whose feet is a plaque that reads:

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

And if they, of all people, are now against that, what makes Americans think anyone else will want them? It’s delusional.

Many countries shut down immigration to Americans in 2016, after the first round of trump’s policies, and they haven’t opened back up yet, partly because there was a solid chance of this happening again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

???

It's easy as piss to emigrate from America as long as you:

Are white, middle class, not provably disabled, not gay, with no criminal history, with at least one million in assets, as long as you don't have a history of activism, already are hired by a local company, and have a STEM degree.

See?

Easy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey, that’s not entirely fair. Russia is more than happy to accept Americans, so long as they’re willing to be cannon fodder for a while. I’m pretty sure they’re not even putting an age limit on it. If you survive, you may even get a small flat afterwards. And if you don’t, they may give your parents money for a Lada (providing they were Russian citizens already).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

IMO any American who wants to emigrate to Russia is welcome to become topsoil in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

I checked out Canadian requirements. The first stage of screening asks your name, email and year of birth - which only goes back to 1970. So apparently I'm too old.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The US wants immigrants, MAGA doesn't want immigrants. And I can fully understand anybody not wanting MAGAs. I wish they would evaporate off the face of the Earth.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Canada’s gonna swing the same way next year so you’re not really escaping from anything anyways

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Already swung super anti-immigration as of earlier this year, so the move to Canada plan isn't going to be as easy either

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago

But I’m one of the good ones!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You can outlive this. There's a good chance he can't. Be strong, and look out for those more vulnerable than yourself.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago

My concern is that the train is still running at full speed even if the driver has died of a heart attack.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

Oh boy, President JD 'couch enthusiast' Vance!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

I've been looking for silver linings. The two I've found are:

  1. Trump probably won't live to see the end of his term. Dude is old and not exactly healthy. One could argue Vance taking his place would be worse, but I'm choosing to focus on the positives here.

  2. Trump winning very likely prevented a civil war. I know a ton of people who had been stocking up on supplies and weapons. Again, one could argue giving these people the keys to the kingdom probably wasn't the smartest move, but again I'm trying to focus on the positives.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I think he's the devil and he'll never die. I wouldn't count on him dying. In my experience really poisonous people live a long time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

He is basically line for line the biblical antichrist. That's infinitely funny to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

this is honestly the thing that's getting me to question my atheism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

It's not like there was an assassination attempt during his rise to power and he survived with a headwound or anything like that, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Hey, quit shitting on my silver lining. I choose to believe he'll die soon due to Macdonald's induced heart failure and you can't take that hope away from me!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 22 hours ago

Agreed on both points. The second means today is safer although Project 2025 spells danger ahead.

As for Trump, his physical deterioration and dementia and just general chaos of intentions are more of a check on him accomplishing evil than anything legal or political. When he runs the economy completely off the rails will it spark anything in the midterms? Will his Cabinet change every week? How long until he "never met" Elon?

So we draw breath, and persevere.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe the left will start the civil war. Then again, they wouldn’t even get out to vote, so.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

The right was unified behind their belief that the election was stolen from Trump, and wanted him put back in power.

The left can't agree on leadership at all, and doesn't think this election was any more stolen than it was in 2000/2016.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

ROFL

Trump didn't prevent civil war. Think back to what happened after the Jan 6 insurrection. When they failed to stop Biden's certification by valiantly committing minor vandalism and taking selfies, MAGA ominously promised that vague "actions" would occur in state capitals on his inauguration day. That day came and went, and the few "actions" that even happened had attendance in the dozens - mostly pathetic loners holding cardboard signs in the rain. The fired-up revolutionaries saw their freedom-fighting heroes methodically tracked down by the FBI and arrested, so instead of a civil war uprising they stayed home and posted angy tirades on Parler.

Contrast this with any real cause, like the BLM marches, which saw thousands of people show up week after week, in city after city, in spite of police beatdowns, arrests, and even some deaths. The difference is personal commitment. MAGAs are great at making loud noises, but when they're faced with the prospect of individual risk, most of them just hide in their freedom bunkers and shake their tiny fists at the TV. That bunch of blowhards will stock up on survival rations and tactical desert boots, but they couldn't civil war their way out of a Walmart.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

That's just it, I'm a white male, I know I'll be comparatively fine. It's not really me I'm worried about.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's not much better over here anyways, anti trans laws and oil industry dick sucking is ramping up more than ever.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

I'd ask "what have trans people ever done to anyone" but you could ask the same of any minority they harass (Facism needs a target)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's not just that, people are acting like things are better in other countries. Like, name ONE country that has not gone off the deep end and ended up on the right recently. One major player. I'll wait. There is no utopia waiting for you in those other countries because they don't want you there and acting like you will be accepted as a refugee is foolhardy. The USA is a shit show right now, but we also don't know the future. It looks bleak right now because of the information we have RIGHT NOW. If you want to move out of the country, be my guest, but don't act like it's going to automatically be better, it's just going to be a different kind of shit show.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, then kick him out. Or maybe guillotine him out, so that he doesn't return.

Like, if people were actually that irked that he won, they'd be doing something. But no, from what I hear El Trumpo actually won the popular vote: the US wants to be fascist. Maybe Canada too. (No, not as in the US wants to be Canada... although that'd be an improvement...)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago

So far, it's only been his supporters trying to kill him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m concerned that there is no doubt this is what America wants.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Don't worry. He'll be coming for Canada. You already have MAGA lovers up there. Who's going to stop him? The Canadian military?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It already well on it's way depending on your province. People have moved out of Quebec because of the intolerance going on there. Hell, I know a streamer who moved because someone threw a fucking brick through their window at his wife who moved there from the USA. Not because she's black or colored either, because she's white as a piece of paper.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I love the assumption that other countries would just take American emigrants.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's a shit ton harder than people realize.... well at least to go anywhere in the industrialized world. Unless you are independently wealthy or have an extremely high demand job.

Billy Bob who's career is working at McDonalds isn't going to get approved.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm considering applying for asylum to Ireland

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sure, but there's also half of your countrymen to think about

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

True. Trump does not hold a monopoly on suck.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canada is just america but 5-10 years behind on the crazy policies. It really isn't any better and cost of living is often higher than in america.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

This is simply not true. Did America have universal medicine 5-10 years ago? Subsidized education? Abortion and trans rights? Refugee policies? The only country in America attempting to highlight the genocide in Gaza?

Seems to me americans love to say Canada is americas retarded cousin (quoting tucker carlson) because it makes them feel better, but it's simply not true.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Stay strong people! ~~We~~ Most of us* survived the last Trump presidency, we got this.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Gaza won't survive. Ukraine likely won't survive.

American democracy's survival is questionable at best.

I'm not saying 'give up'. But we also have to recognize the magnitude of the impact this election is going to have. And many people who stay here despite everything are going to have their lives at risk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

All empires fall. This is just our turn. That isnt the scary part. The scary part is how failing empires often lash out militarily on the way out. And this one has nukes.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

American democracy? already dead. we have already slipped into constitutional oligarchy territory

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

in simple words. We're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Immigration in most developed countries is stricter than the US. And we all know the US's immigration restrictions are insane.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

I've looked into it, believe me. New Zealand too. My wife is too rooted to our house, and we have an adult daughter still living at home with medical problems that would probably disqualify her.

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