this post was submitted on 26 Sep 2023
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Tried to make on new account on lemmy... It did work in the end (obviously). Good thing there is the audio version to read it for me. (sarcasm, I know it's supposed to be for accessibility purposes. Still used it though)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had the same difficulty with Lemmy’s captchas. Took multiple attempts before I figured out the right letters. The audio description helped a lot because it calls out which letters are capitalized. I’s and l’s and 1’s should be banned from those things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any letters that look like another should be exempt. I’m looking at you, C c W w U u O 0 o S s Z z X x V v

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I was just adding to the description that the audio helped a lot. It shouldn't though, I think. Isn't that supposed to be for people with some kind of sight disability? Otherwise why even have the graphical one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It might not be long until we design the captchas so that the only ones who can get it right must be AI.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think the CAPTCHAs have to keep getting harder and harder because the bots keep getting better and better.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

>make captcha to train bots with human feedback

>bots become not only better, but more humanlike at solving captcha

No one could have possibly predicted this at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

hmm yeah but at what point do we stop? If I already can't solve it without using the audio description or refreshing multiple times, I think we need to think about another solution. Or just make it less hard, if "stopping the bots" is not the only reason.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It is already a lost race though.

For instance, when humans were asked to solve distorted text CAPTCHAs, they were able to solve them in 9 to 15 seconds. That sounds great until you learn that they were only able to get the answer correctly 50-84% of the time.

On the other hand, bots taking the same texts were able to answer the same tests in less than a second, and they were able to do it more accurately—99.8% accurately, specifically.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/bots-better-at-solving-captchas-than-humans

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

google's captcha basically doesn't even use the actual puzzle anymore. That's only used to train their AI. Its based mostly on how you interact with site.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've already determined that bots are better at solving Captchas than we are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

More security theater is the obvious solution!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When setting this up as an admin you choose the difficulty of the captcha. Not sure what level this is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Survival mode

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I can never read those damn things. Maybe I'm a robot and I just don't know it yet.