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OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we're going to allow Elon to murder every year?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

So, a kid on a bicycle or scooter is an edge case? Fuck the Muskrat and strip him of US citizenship for illegally working in the USA. Another question. WTF was the driver doing?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

You just need to buy the North America Animal Recognition AI subscription and this wouldn't be an issue plebs, it will stop for 28 out of 139 mammals!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Deer aren’t edge cases. If you are in a rural community or the suburbs, deer are a daily way of life.

As more and more of their forests are destroyed, deer are a daily part of city life. I live in the middle of a large midwestern city; in neighborhood with houses crowded together. I see deer in my lawn regularly.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

People are acting like drivers don't hit deers at full speed while they're in control of the car. Unless we get numbers comparing self driving vs human driven cars then this is just a non story with the only goal being discrediting Musk when there's so many other shit that can be used to discredit him.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 57 minutes ago

People are acting like drivers don’t hit deers at full speed while they’re in control of the car.

I should be very surprised if people don't generally try to brake or avoid hitting an animal (with some exceptions), if only so that they don't break the car. Whether they succeed at that is another question entirely.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

I notice nobody has commented on the fact that the driver should've reacted to the deer. It's not Tesla's responsibility to emergency brake, even if that is a feature in the system. Drivers are responsible for their vehicle's movements at the end of the day.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

True but if Tesla keeps acting like they're on the verge of an unsupervised, steering wheel-free system...this is more evidence that they're not. I doubt we'll see a cybercab with no controls for the next 10 years if the current tech is still ignoring large, highly predictable objects in the road.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago

Then it's not "Full self driving". It's at best lane assistance, but I wouldn't trust that either.

Elon needs to shut the fuck up about self driving and maybe issue a full recall, because he's going to get people killed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

That would be lovely if it wasn't called and marketed as Full Self-Driving.

You sell vaporware/incomplete functionality software and release it into the wild, then you are responsible for all the chaos it brings.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

I hit a deer on the highway in the middle of the night going about 80mph. I smelled the failed airbag charge and proceeded to drive home without stopping. By the time I stopped, I would never have been able to find the deer. If your vehicle isn't disabled, what's the big deal about stopping?

I've stuck two deer and my car wasn't disabled either time. My daughter hit one and totaled our van. She stopped.

That said, fuck Musk.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 49 minutes ago

Maybe drive a little slower at night. If you can't spot and react to animals on your path, you won't able to react when it's a human

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago

You're supposed to stop and report it so they can come and get it so no one hits it and ends up more squishy then intended.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

Whether or not a human should stop seems beside the point. Autopilot should immediately get the driver to take back control if something unexpected happens, and stop if the driver doesn't take over. Getting into an actual collision and just continuing to drive is absolutely the wrong behavior for a self-driving car.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is there video that actually shows it "keeps going"? The way that video loops I know I can't tell what happens immediately after.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The driver's tweet says it kept going, but I didn't find the full video.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Inb4 it actually stopped with hazards like I've seen in other videos. Fuck elon and fuck teslas marketing of self driving but I've seen people reach far for karma hate posts on tesla sooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

the deer is not blameless. those bastards will race you to try and cross in front of you.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Finally someone else familiar with the most deadly animal in North America.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago

I'd give the moose the top spot. Maybe not in sheer numbers of deaths, but I'd much rather have an encounter with a deer than a moose.

Though for sheer number, I also wouldn't give that to deer, that spot would go to humans, though I can admit it's a bit pedantic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

yeah well ive hit about $15k worth of them over the years

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

For the 1000th time Tesla: don't call it "autopilot" when it's nothing more than a cruise control that needs constant attention.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Real Autopilot also needs constant attention, the term comes from aviation and it's not fully autonomous. It maintains heading, altitude, and can do minor course correction.

It's the "full self driving" wording they use that needs shit on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago

It is autopilot (a poor one but still one) that legally calls itself cruise control so Tesla wouldn't have to take responsibility when it inevitably breaks the law.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

It doesn't have to not kill people to be an improvement, it just has to kill less people than people do

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

That's a low bar when you consider how stringent airline safety is in comparison, and that kills way less people than driving does. If sensors can save people's lives, then knowingly not including them for profit is intentionally malicious.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

True in a purely logical sense, but assigning liability is a huge issue for self-driving vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

As long as there's manual controls the driver is responsible as they're supposed to be ready to take over

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That doesn't sound like a self-driving car to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Because it's not, it's a car with assisted driving, like all cars you can drive at the moment and with which, surprise surprise, you are held responsible if there's an accident while it's in assisted mode.

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