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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

I am waiting for the non-destructible forever Toyota tank. Just make sure insurgents dont get their hands on one.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago

The next-generation tank will have stronger preemptive strike capabilities using an artificial intelligence-based fire control system

Well that's disturbing. I wonder what level of buzz word AI this is? Safe to assume computer vision is involved, target/threat identification... Does "preemptive strike" imply the fire control system is firing by itself? I know it's not the case but it's hilarious to imagine it's ChatGPT doing it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Hyundai?

Yes, Hyundai.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Capable of the highest next-generation turret toss!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 19 hours ago

Can't wait to see what the N-Line will look like

[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Famously transporting large volumes of hydrogen has never gone wrong and hydrogen charging stations have proven very reliable and also hydrogen as an alternative to electric is definitely not a ploy by big oil to keep drilling for fossil fuels!

Good job hyundai 👍 Very credible 👍🏿

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

H2 tanks are safer than diesel. It would make a superior tank to diesel in most ways. Quiet, electronics power, portable solar charging in forward position, H2 production in solar rear stations. In war, having all of your large oil refineries and port handling blown up the first day is common, and decentralized and portable H2 production is an important asset.

ROK while leading on H2, is way behind on both solar transition projects/roadpath and have abandoned solar technology themselves. Government does serve its industrial champions but also serves US master. US wants to subjugate colonies to its NG. Industrial champion needs clean energy independence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Military vehicles are purpose built. They didn't use hydrogen because it was green, they used it to fulfill their requirements for a silent stealth battle tank. But I'm sure your technical knowledge far outdoes that of the people involved in designing this tank 👍 Very credible 👍🏿

Fuel cell technology will also dramatically reduce the noise the tank generates when on the move.

Literally from the article you failed to open.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I thought this was a shidposting community

I do actually agree with everything you and other people in this thread have said, I just don’t care :3

And yes my technical knowledge definitely outweighs the knowledge of hundreds of Hyundai engineers, thank you for noticing <3

I am Jia Tan and I approve this message :3

[–] [email protected] 33 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

My dude, the military transports more volatile materials than hydrogen every day. Just because something doesn't make sense for civilian use doesn't mean it's never going to be viable for military use.

If you're worried about the dangers of transporting something like hydrogen, you're going to lose it when you find out what bombs are made out of.

Electric motors are just more efficient in just about every way at scale, the current diesel motors being used in tanks aren't really able to be improved upon. They're at their technological peak, so the only way to move forward with mbt is by figuring out how to make electric motors work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

An unarmed bomb can be dropped from cruising altitude onto a hard surface and not detonate. The US military has had nukes fall out of planes without breaching the radioactive core.

Also, the energy density of hydrogen is pretty poor, diesel electric hybrid on the other hand is a proven technology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

An unarmed bomb can be dropped from cruising altitude onto a hard surface and not detonate. The US military has had nukes fall out of planes without breaching the radioactive core.

And yet you don't think they could produce the same safety features for less volatile materials?

diesel electric hybrid on the other hand is a proven technology.

Yeah, you just have to add a diesel engine, electric engine, and a giant battery.....The whole point of moving to electric is to increase efficiency and decreasing the weight of primary motive components.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (5 children)

No no, it’s credible because it decreases the ground weight, and if you fill it up enough, it can just float over AT mines 🤓

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

From Hyundai to Hindenburg very fast 👏 👏 👏

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

Science man smart!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 22 hours ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (27 children)

In the case of military vehicles, hydrogen is about the greenest option that we're gonna get. No one is going to make a battery powered AFV, because where the fuck would you charge it?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

Who if not the Germans built an electric tank in 2020 https://efahrer.chip.de/news/geraeuschlose-einsaetze-weltweit-erster-elektro-panzer-kommt-aus-deutschland_103179

Sounds crazy at first but comes with some good advantages: it can cross rivers as it doesn’t need air for combustion, it’s silent, and you can load it anywhere at the battle field if you have solar panels, time and sun. Still you can rely on military logistics to carry a swap battery. But isn’t the military supply chain the first target to disrupt? My two cents, this is the next thing at battle fields.

Oh, and if all your equipment runs on electricity, you can load and reload power at your needs. Tank needs power but car not? Combat robot out if power and car is full? Transfer the power

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Range of tanks is not super important other than blitzkrieg strategy where refueling infrastructure catches up. Even under blietzkrieg, tanks eventually get into a siege position and solar can be enough to sustain their position indefinitely. H2 is the best quick refueling method for electric heavy vehicles. A dispenser can be hidden 1 mile or so behind the front lines. Production facilities can be portable and moved forward

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

And if your tank is electric, it can be modified later with a small nuclear or fusion reactor.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Honestly if MILITARY applications are what kicks renewable energy and mass storage into high gear, I won't be surprised, but I will be disappointed.

But hey, improvement is still improvement and if a military organization sees renewable as the future, they're gonna try to make sure they get there first. As long as whoever gets there shares the progress with the rest of the world, I'm okay with it.

But who am I kidding, it's gonna be China or the US and the rest of the world won't see shit for decades due to suppression of research and technology that would allow for similar specs to be achieved privately...

... How credible is my aluminum foil hat guy?

I must admit though, it'd be cool to see an armored combat battery sliding across a field to quick charge a tank that died mid-battle. 10 seconds of charging to get it up and running, and the battery moves to the next low power thing. I'm imagining a semi-autonomous hot-swap of a battery compartment and eventually recharging like modern airplane mid-air refueling. Insert Rod A into Slot A and wait a little bit. The faster they want it to charge, the more they'll dump into R&D.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Holy fuck that's a sexy tank

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This is what I wish the cyber truck was more like ... Not that I would ever buy a Tesla but this thing is perfect for futuristic... Now make it a car... But also fuck cars

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

What if it had hydrogen cells instead?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago

It looks like a miniature

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

it looks like a bastard kid of PL01 and Abrams-X

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Does noise really matter that much on a modern battlefield with one surveillance drone every 200 meters?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

the other feature is low to no heat, so these things are like tank drop bears

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, it would make them a lot harder to spot on infra red cameras.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

drop bears

Instance checks out

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Most NATO countries are assuming air dominance, which would make drones less survivable. They really thrive in a contested environment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't know that NATO's assumption of air dominance is actually applicable. You're not putting a F-35 on anti-drone swarm duties.

If anything you'd want to focus on anti-air.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago

Pretty chill for the operators at least. Tanks are loud as fuck

[–] [email protected] 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It's beautiful and I want one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Maybe Pepsi will do a new challenge

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

It looks like a piece of EGO brand lawn equipment (which I also like the look of).

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