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the ubuntu machines at work are nearly unusable bc snaps don't play well with our intranet setup and it just so happens that ubuntu thought it would be a brilliant idea to make firefox, the default browser, a snap
slack is also a snap so the support team had to install it by hand so that we don't get locked out of work meetings while at the office
this sucks so much bc ubuntu is basically the first distro that comes to mind when ppl think "linux", so it shouldn't make us deal with this kind of bullshit. i wish they went back to the days where ubuntu was just a boring repackaged debian
Seriously, what's with that tunnel vision on snaps?
Best case scenario: sunk cost fallacy
Worst case scenario: there's a lot of shit you can do when you control a closed source app store, and canonical has a history of doing sketchy shit like selling user data to Amazon
They are backtracking and allowing deb out of the box again
Snnnnap.
That's a no.
Lol I tried to install it on a test machine (not a WM) and I couldn't do it cuz of some snap failure. Though the latest Canonical's attempts to add a permission control system for snaps are very interesting to me. Ik Flatseal and KDE's implementation exist but having a really well made and integrated one can be a big deal for many users. If only it was for Flatpak...
Snaps have had a permission system for at least 5 years now.
Small is inherently slow though. That's just due to the framework, so any extra work they put into securing it better is just going to make it slower. Flatpak works great, on the other hand.
Been using ubuntu for almost 15 years. My annoyance with snap made me just switch to bazzite (gaming focused fedora atomic ). Takes a little getting used to since its immutable but im liking it alot more so far.
Doesn't actually seem like a bad release at all.
But I'm pretty married to Flatpaks at this point so no thanks, I'm good.
E: not sure who I've hurt the feelings of, Snap fans (are they put there?) or Flatpak haters. Either way, nobody important.
Flatpak works on Ubuntu...
And Snaps work outside of Ubuntu...
My point is, Ubuntu goes out of their way to make installing stuff as anything other than a Snap a hindrance.
Their new storefront, which was originally a community creation that allowed for the installation of debs and snaps, initially had deb support ripped out of it when Ubuntu started using it. Only after backlash did they reluctantly add it back. You certainly can't install Flatpaks through it (unless someone has a fork).
Why would I use a system that so aggressively pushes a packaging format I don't want to use and suppresses ones that I do?
I guess it matters if you use GUI tools to install things. I almost never do so I hadn't even noticed.
24.10 is the first release I've had with major problems
It's Kubuntu for me, not Ubuntu, but yay shouldn't matter
Upgrade from 24.04 to 24.10 failed spectacularly, first upgrade failure in like a decade or so?
So I reinstalled, added crypttab and fstab devices, reboot, then that failed. For some reason, crypttab isn't working right.
In any case, I boot into an emergency she'll because of that, but systemd (frack systemd, just like snap) complains about /usr/sbin not being a symlink, saying its critical and why it can't boot
Eh, okay? I merge it with /usr/bin, symlink it, systemd happy. Things still seemed to work, so yay! Well, crypttab still isn't but we'll figure it out, let's get to work first!
Cue a few days later, most has been setup, and I want to install docker. Docker installation failed because a dependency failed to find a file. I can't even remember the last time that happened. I can't cancel the install either, so it's stuck and I can't install anything else.
After a day I figure out how to cancel the install completely by cancelling literally docker and every dependency, great.
Work a long time trying to investigate what's wrong, now I find other packages failing as well. Loads of searches later I figure out that apt hates /use/sbin is a symlink. Frack me for listening to systemd
Try to split it again, copying contents of bin to sbin, nope. Try to put backup directories back, nope.
Reinstall, and prep for attempt #3
Install again, all seems okay, but when adding crypttab and fstab devices, won't boot again.
This release sucks
How are you trying to install docker? I wouldn't be surprised if the docker ppa was unsupported for 24.10.