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While Ms. Stein condemns both “zombie political parties” as tools of Wall Street and war profiteers, her campaign has focused largely on hammering Ms. Harris, blaming the White House she serves for relentless violence in Gaza and Lebanon.

And Democrats, as never before, are focused on Ms. Stein.

The party has prepared a negative ad blitz for the election’s final weeks, its first-such effort ever directed at a third-party candidate. Fearful that Ms. Stein might divert critical votes in places like Michigan, Democrats are also pressing their case on billboards plastered recently across swing states:

“Jill Stein Helped Trump Once. Don’t Let Her Do It Again.”

She dismisses the “spoiler mythology” that has come to define her mainstream identity, noting — accurately enough — that some of her supporters would never back Ms. Harris anyway.

She says that Democrats would do well to look inward, disputing that she bears any responsibility for Mr. Trump’s fortunes, then or now.

“Those conversations never go anywhere,” Ms. Stein, 74, said in a wide-ranging interview.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 45 minutes ago

oh heres a new name for my blocklist

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

I dunno about this shit I'm probably just voting PSL.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Don't you understand? You have to vote against Trump because he's a threat to democracy. This is proven by Dick Cheney and W becoming democrats. Now you may say "didn't I have to vote against W and Cheney because they were a threat to democracy for a decade?" To which I say, why do you hate our freedoms?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The way you phrased that made it sound like political rhetoric and fears about the end of democracy are at least partially self serving to further the interests of one political party, and that the truth of their claims may be exaggerated. Now that we know you hate America, and are a dangerous threat to democracy if not outright treasonous, fascist, communist, and a bot also, who is paying you? Thanks in advance for responding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Of course, boy do i feel silly...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago

10/10 satire. Really felt like I was on reddit in 2016 when Dems and Republicans became one indistinguishable mass.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No one ever asked her to start, either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago

I'm pretty sure plenty of people asked her to run as president, given she's the most uncontroversial candidate from any party and is more qualified to be president than pretty much anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Maybe not start but I'm sure there're groups that have encouraged her to keep running over the years. Eyes picture of her at dinner with Putin, other Russians and Flynn who Trump pardoned. Though I'm sure there're good reasons for her to be in that picture that aren't shady...I expect a lottery win about the time they make sense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (22 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (12 children)

To draw votes away from the Democratic party nominee at the behest of her Russian donors. NBC News Link about the infamous dinner.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It's not even funny calling you people blue MAGA anymore. You're not different enough to warrant the modifier.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I like BlueAnon, personally

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Where has Jill Stein been for the past four years? Do you think this is what politics is? Disappearing from public view (only popping up to dine with autocrats), only to pop up when it's election time? Do you think this is how legitimate political parties operate?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Where has Jill Stein been for the past four years?

Where's Kamala or Trump been? What's your point?

Disappearing from public view (only popping up to dine with autocrats), only to show up when it’s election time? Do you think this is how legitimate political parties operate?

Absolutely deranged. "the news I read didn't give something page space therefore it doesn't exist"

Like I even give a shit about Stein and wasn't just making an observation about how your brain is broken with Rachel Maddow conspiracy theories.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Literally, they were both out campaigning for their party's candidates in elections in 2021, 22, and 23

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We are maybe talking past each other? You responded to a comment asking where Jill Stein was the last 4 years, which is a question attached to the argument that her lack of efforts in the off years is evidence that she is not running a serious candidacy. You responded by asking what about the two big party candidates offseason's actions, implying that you believe their actions are deficient under a similar line of critique. I pointed out that they did campaign to increase the standing of their platform and their party through lower level elections in the off years, which seems like a pretty strong rebuttal to the implication that they are not actively working to promote their positions throughout government. Perhaps you can explain why you view that as irrelevant

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Like I even give a shit about Stein and wasn’t just making an observation about how your brain is broken with Rachel Maddow conspiracy theories.

Two levels of comment replies (both yours) and five hours since I said this and you're acting like we're talking past each other when you're just ignoring what I say.

But as a side note: "they positioned themselves within their major party" as your response boils down to reads as bullshit to me. That doesn't count. The correct answer is they've done nothing. Harris has been sitting in a dark room doing laudanum and showing up to give policy speeches that would make Biden look bad if he gave them himself ("Don't come"). Trump has been doing cocaine and being a media removed. (sex worker)

You're just playing Calvinball filling in reasonable details to answer the question "what makes a serious candidate" so you don't have to just come out and say "one of the two parties nominates them"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You asked a question (where have Kamala and Trump been?). I answered in what I believe was a relevant manner to the topic at hand and is a salient rebuttal of your "observation". I don't see how your claim to not care is relevant, you're going to have to explain that one to me. For the record, I'm not the person you were replying to, nor have I watched a single episode of Maddow

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Okay now you're just being belligerent. Your "response" has nothing to do with the subject that was presented at you and you're just trying to "win" with "attitude" rather than "having a point".

For the record

Once again showing off your reading ability by pointing out something I said explicitly already. You're such a smart person who has valuable things to say! Sufferable! Not insufferable!

Holy God that lives in the sky I can't wait for you to reply again.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My take:

To demonstrate that there is a more leftist population in the US public than is regularly recognized and shift the entire discussion in that direction.

To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.

To oppose the highly organized far right.


No, I won't vote for her this year. But I can appreciate the above goals.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.

This is not how you do this. You don't disappear and pop up for a few months every four years. That is not how a legitimate political party operates.

She clearly does not give a shit about making the Green Party a legitimate alternative.

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