Fuck Russia. Nobody with a sane mind in the EU wants the worthless destructive Muscovites to return.
this post was submitted on 20 Oct 2024
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Ah yes, Europe, the sanest and most just of all 'continents'
Certainly can't think of any other nations that are or were in the EU who did shit like this in the 40's.
Speaking of which... This is 1944. The savvy history buff might know that the Winter War ended before then, and ask themselves why Karelia is burning in that case?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War
Oh, look at who Finland is allies with!
Damn, I wonder why the Finns would ally with the nazis after being brutally attacked just a few years earlier
The Finns knew beyond doubt about the Holocaust, and they chose to help the nation enacting it out of self interest.
Cope.
You'd be better off pointing out that the President and fascist sympathizer that enacted that alliance was put on trial when the Finns swapped sides after they saw the Nazis were losing and convicted for his crimes, and that they, like Franco and some nations in the Balkans, mostly didn't comply with Nazi demands to hand over their Jewish population, so in terms of "Aiding the Holocaust" guilt they're somewhere between Vichy France and Fascist Italy.
You’d be better off pointing out that the President and fascist sympathizer that enacted that alliance was put on trial when the Finns swapped sides after they saw the Nazis were losing and convicted for his crimes,
The idea that Risto Ryti was a fascist sympathizer is... a reach.
and that they, like Franco and some nations in the Balkans, mostly didn’t comply with Nazi demands to hand over their Jewish population, so in terms of “Aiding the Holocaust” guilt they’re somewhere between Vichy France and Fascist Italy.
Finland is... between Vichy France and Fascist Italy in Holocaust guilt?
Vichy France and Fascist Italy both gleefully shipped off their Jewish populations to be murdered. The Finns took a horrific side, but at no point did they give up their own Jewish citizens to the Nazis.
Vichy France and Fascist Italy were both much more gruesome and eager collaborators.
Finland is slightly better than the Soviet Union in that their Nazi collaboration was in response to a mass campaign of ethnic cleansing (of almost half a million Finns expelled by the Soviets after the unjustified aggression of the Winter War) rather than preceded by a mass campaign of ethnic cleansing (of Poles in the USSR by the Soviets before the joint Nazi-Soviet invasion of Poland). Both remain unconscionable.
1: If "sympathizer" is a reach it's only because "collaborator and ally" is more damning and accurate.
2: And Italy was divided enough over fascism to fight a civil war and have a native resistance when offered a chance, instead of swapping sides when it was clear their preferred side was losing. They still willingly and knowingly enabled the Holocaust, and a war with the Soviets that they knew was both ideologically and racially motivated with plans for extermination and mass slavery.
If you'd like some reading on the topic of their knowing collaboration with the Nazi plans:
https://humanityinaction.org/knowledge_detail/helsinki-on-the-brink-finland-and-the-holocaust-era/
I think they do a pretty good job of staying as unbiased as possible in it.
3: It wasn't an ethnic cleansing, it was a voluntary evacuation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuation_of_Finnish_Karelia
Though, of course, that half a million people voluntarily evacuated rather than being part of Stalin's USSR says a lot in itself.
The difference is that Germany is ashamed of what they did during that time, and their national ethos is never doing that again.
Meanwhile, Russia idolises the imperialism of the Soviet Union, the only change is that some of their marches have swastikas as well as the hammer and sickle.
Finland had a right to defend itself against the Soviets, and it's not like the West didn't ally with a genocidal mass murderer as well.
Nazi simps, lol, just straight up using nationalist slurs while ignoring the actual context of the photo in question and having the sheer fucking GALL to compare those alliances.
All while babbling about how "they don't repent their history, not like our totally justified alliance with fucking Hitler"
Yes, I know what that sopuli.xyz means, you hypocrite.
The Winter War was one thing, trying to help the Nazis win an actively genocidal war was another.
I'm not Finnish. And what nationalist slurs?
The US helped win an actively genocidal war for Stalin. I don't fault them, even though a US bombing run caused lifelong suffering to my loved ones, because on the Eastern front there were no good guys, and using one mass murderer to kill another is fair.
All I'm saying is that there is no difference between the genocidal imperialism of Hitler, and the genocidal imperialism of Stalin. Both murdered millions, yet only one of them has a following in their homeland that is not actively persecuted.
In the most of Eastern Europe, where these madmen committed their crimes, if you wave a swastika flag around, or one with a hammer and sickle, you are going to jail either way, as it should be. Just like in Germany. Why not in Russia?
Shouldn't you be defending Kursk right now or something?
I'm an anarchist, but nice try, shitlib.
This is what russian "liberation" looks like.
Just the same with the nazis, who burned every city in Lapland on their way to Norway. Right around the same time too.
Weren't Finland (technically) allied with the Nazis?
They were, but the context there is that the alliance was a pretty direct result of the abject failure of both the Anglo-French Supreme War Council and the League of Nations to do literally anything meaningful in the face of the Soviet invasion in the Winter War.
Germany actually did quietly supply them with war materiel during the war, until some Swedish journalists broke the story, after which Germany prioritized Soviet relations due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That was one of the main factors that led to the eventual reliance: the Soviets could clearly not be trusted (they invaded); the League of Nations was obviously powerless; the Anglo-French alliance - ostensible allies to Finland - evidently couldn’t find their ass with both hands and completely failed to respond for the entire span of the war; meanwhile, the Germans actually shipped equipment, though they geopolitically had their hands tied with treaty obligations (that they weren’t openly violating at the time).
To be clear, this is not Nazi apologia. This is an explanation of the geopolitical context at the time, and what motivated the eventual alliance between Finland and Nazi Germany, in terms of Finnish motivations: pure pragmatism in the face of an obviously expansionist neighbor with a HUGE military.
Also, yes, as u/grissino said, the Nazis did enjoy burning shit when they had to retreat, regardless of whether it was the territory of an allied nation.
That didn't stop the nazis from doing a little scorched earth behind them (while evacuating Finland and on their way to Norway, through Lapland).
Still fairly early for color photography, no? Looks incredible.
It has a watermark explicitly saying it's a colorization. The embossed faux cursive is pretty hard to make out, but it is https://www.jecinci.com/
So it does. I couldn't bother reading the logos when there was an amazing picture to look at. Good thing I'm not a police detective I suppose!
AGFA developed color photography and the film was available during WW II.
Yeah, it's hand-colored. Kudos to whoever did it, it looks really good.
That was my first thought too, "man this must be colorised right? Or...?"
Stunning picture, looks like a movie poster.
Colour photography has actually existed longer than you expect. There are actually a few real colour images of WW2. Most are coloured afterwards but some real colour images exist.
Damn, that's a crazy shot