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A third of Americans agree with Trump that immigrants ‘poison the blood’ of US (www.theguardian.com)

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13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.

What the actual fuck?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.

More proof of fake respondents. Basically some people, for whatever reason (depending on the poll it could be financial) just speed run the polls with no thought about what they're clicking on. So it makes any extremely unpopular view appear more supported. I can't find much about how this was done, if it was an online opt-in poll I'd be especially suspicious.

Edit: it seems this was done with a Ipsos KnowledgePanel, which as I suspected is an online, paid, opt-in panel. This is exactly the kind of design that's prone to speed running for cash.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I was at a Ska show last night. They played a tRump ad about the border before the music. We almost left. Surreal, honestly, for the type of crowd I would expect.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Music and politics are super weird. Paul Ryan, former Republican speaker of the house, was an RATM fan until Tom Morello told him to fuck off. Ann Coulter is a massive Deadhead. So is Tucker Carlson. There's even a photo of Tucker hanging out with Jerry Garcia when he was in his 20s. The story is in an interview here if you can stomach it: https://www.maxraskin.com/interviews/interview-with-tucker-carlson

And then there's the musicians themselves- Johnny Ramone, Alice Cooper, Gene Simmons, all conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Music and right-wing politics are weird. I can't even begin to count how many bands were proudly anti-war in the 70s. Then there's the punk movement, which was highly critical of Reagan and Bush.

I guess music and a message of hope/protest works better than a message of oppression, especially when appealing to youth.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. is about a Vietnam veteran who has been fucked over by the country he came back to.

Reagan used it as part of his flag-waving "it's morning in America" bullshit because no one listened to the lyrics beyond "I was born in the U.S.A."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I searched for the actual question text and found:

Q19a. The immigrants entering the country illegally today are poisoning the blood of our country.

The split was 14% completely agreed and 20% mostly agreed.

I'm not as surprised by the results as the headline would have suggested because of the use of the word illegally. It biases the question negatively.

The 20% who mostly agreed may have agreed with some negative connotation surrounding illegal immigration while ignoring the racism of "poisoning the blood." In other words, if I put myself in the shoes of someone who feels strongly about securing the border, I could understand how those respondents would lean towards agree simply because of the use of the word "illegal."

To further support this interpretation: In the same survey, more than 40% of respondents favor or strongly favor building a wall along the US-Mexico border.

Maybe I'm just optimistic that only around an eighth of the country is completely crazy and that is just a less clickbaity title.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sooo…. A third of Americans have no problem admitting that the part of their brain that processes logic and reason is irreparably damaged.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

More like not developed. Though I suppose a bit of both.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I'm struggling here to avoid being offensive - but really, Americans often appear to me to be averaging subhuman intelligence.

Yesterday I was reading about Latino MAGA's who just assume Trump isn't talking about them...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

As an American, the last 10 years have been a real surprise to me. I've always known that there were incredibly stupid and hateful people, but it seemed like a slowly shrinking minority. The slow, incremental progress of America has led to apathy for most progressive voters. After all, if nothing is broken and it is getting better on its own, why worry about fixing it.
The problem is that a very over the last 100 years, a small but very rich group of psychopaths have been slowly eroding things like our education, journalism, social support, workers rights, judicial systems, and more.
I'm not talking about some secret group like the Illuminati, I'm talking about individual psychopaths like Elon musk who pick one or two things that they feel get in the way of thier ability to grab the power they think they deserve. They whittle away, using their immense wealth to slowly chip at our institutions. And each new one is able to build upon the work of the previous psycho.
The problem is that the last hundred years of slow witling has left us with very weak foundations, and things are beginning to fall apart.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I'm not saying America is the center of world intellectualism, but you're also getting quite a selection bias since "stupid American" stories are even popular to other Americans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I thought that same

But actually, after visiting Denver I was super surprised by how friendly and normal people were

I'd easily live there (and no, I'm not a weed smoker. Never tried it, no plans to, do doesn't influence my decision)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Which bloodline would that be? The great Royal bloodline of the Ancient American Empire?

What about all those people saying they're 1/16th Cherokee?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

All you pale face non-natives gyit the fuuuck out!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

After working construction for decades I can say that American workers are shit compared to foreigners. Muslim workers are the hardest. Especially from Ethiopia or Somalia. They learn fast too and are better in many cases than Mexican or SA workers. PLUS no drug or alcohol or daddy/mommy/religious issues.

When I was building in Africa we finished a project 3 days early. They didn’t even have the skills, we taught on site. That would NEVER happen with regular Americans.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Those are immigrants though. Have you ever seriously looked into the bullshit you need to go through to move to another country? It's insane.

Every immigrant is more impressive than any Olympian.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Horrifying

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (6 children)

One third of Americans are fascists.

Checks out.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I wonder how many of those people are children of immigrants.

(although, in a broader view, probably all of them are at least descendants of immigrants)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Donald Trump is the child of an immigrant. His mother was from Scotland.

Of course, that makes her the "right kind" of immigrant.

And then there's two of the mothers of four of his children. Ivana and Melania, both immigrants.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

His new bestie, Musk, is 1st generation. As is Thiel. I'd be fine with deporting them though.

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