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[–] [email protected] 83 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (71 children)

A third party has literally no chance to win in our system, and nobody gives a single fuck about the miniscule amount of votes they do get - you're not moving any metrics, or sending any messages, or taking any stands. All you're doing is helping the worse option win.

So, if you truly hate Palestinians, then by all means vote Stein. If you want to see Ukraine taken over, then please vote Stein. If you want to see our country start murdering every version of queer people, then you really should vote Stein. That's all you're going to get for it.

Whether you like to see the truth or not, a vote for a third party is still a vote for genocide.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And abstaining a vote is... still a vote for genocide. People need to get over this desire to make believe that voting makes them complicit in something and instead realize that it's a cold and rational duty. Vote for the best outcome possible. What you do the remaining 364 days of the year will decide your complicity.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's just naive in my opinion. They say they care so much about Palestine, but refuse to sit down, grow up, and face our current political reality. I would love to have ranked voting, or even just a valid third party choice, but that is not going to happen in the next 3 weeks. And we are still reeling from the repercussions of the last Trump Term. They'll continue to stack government and courts with the same backwards thinkers to make progress, if any, even harder. They'll continue to make life harder and more dangerous for not even just minorities, but just anyone who's not able to buy their way out of it.

But it doesn't matter! They're both the same! There is no way Trump could be worse. Because while Palestinians watch Israel's interpretation of "just end it" with out a cease fire, they'll die with the knowledge that, somewhere, in another country, a woman is bleeding out in the parking lot because some people wanted to make a point. Oh, boy, won't that be great? /s

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

IMO anyone who argues to vote third party right now is a Russian troll.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago

Well I wouldn't disagree with out of hand but I would want to see your research on that.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

in the first 3.5 years of the question cycle

We are literally always in an election cycle this country is so fucked up

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

That's how cycles work, lol.

We're always in every cycle.

It's in the root of the word cycle. Greek word kuklos and the Latin word cyclus, both of which mean "circle".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago

I love me a good piece of pedantry. Technically correct, the best kind of correct.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

If you're third party, it's currently a 2 party system but your end game is ranked choice voting, so throw your vote at the non-Republican who has the highest chance. After all, they use third party candidates such as RFK to siphon votes so you can only guess how strongly they'd oppose any system that disallows them from using that to their advantage. A vote for Republicans is a vote to never ever have third party candidates have any chance in any presidential election, just a strategic tool to help Republicans win

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure how to tell you this, but the right wing has, does, and will target ANY Democratic (or 3rd party) candidate that poses a realistic chance of beating them in the presidential election. The right wing doesn't want or know how to govern, they just want to control, so they attack those that are qualified to govern.

Russia and China support and amplify unserious 3rd party candidates like Stein and RFK Jr with the support of the Republicans, because without splitting the left's votes, the Republicans would be a powerless minority

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago (16 children)

I'll keep saying it: This is not a Mexican standoff you can win because the Dems have an out: the center voter. If you want the Dems to stop going center, they have to win all 3 houses consistently. They've had all 3 for only 4 of the last 24 years.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Also that one time, if I recall correctly, had a bunch of Dems who were "pro-life" and vaguely Dem to get votes but not really progressive at all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

"Blue Dogs". 2010 and 2012 erased a lot of them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago

I'll never forgive Joe Lieberman.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

Bernie is the political equivalent of Rambo: Alone, behind enemy lines, with no support.

He had to do guerrilla politics most of his career and has a lot to teach.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (12 children)

Most of far leftists you see here with their accusations of “dOiNg a gEnOciDe” were absent from any discussions about Palestine prior to October. And I’d wager that a large portion of them couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map until around then either. I’d even guess that many of them still couldn’t.

I’ll digress.

At this point- you should probably know by now that there is no changing their minds. They know what they’re doing- we know what they’re doing. And there’s no point in debating with them because they’re just going to drag things out and repeatedly accuse you of shit that isn’t true in order to not have to answer anyone asking them to make sense of the rhetoric they repeatedly post here..

Call out their nonsense for what it is and move on. Save yourselves the time.

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