Well yeah, driving people to quit to save money on severance from the impending layoffs is the whole point of forcing them to return to the office
this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2024
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You don't like the anal probe? Just leave!!
(*without any additional pay or severance)
They should really open just an absolute shit load of individual constructive dismissal cases.
Labor boards might notice then though.
They should really keep a poster about Amazon in their offices permanently.
My guess is that by going fully onsite, they can probably avoid layoffs entirely. The majority of tech roles are hybrid or remote so the departures are going to be often and steady which will naturally select out anyone not interesting in making their life Amazon. They want employees that live and breath Amazon and this is how they get that (or just keep desperate people).
The hilarious thing is that the first ones to go will be the high performers. They're executing a dumb as shit layoff that will set them far behind competitors.
Nah they'll just see it as a success because the ones getting overpaid have left
So in this instance would quiet quitting lead to the desired result? Just doing the most subpar work until they’re forced to fire you with a severance…
Yes. Malicious compliance.
Oh, permission to leave the plantation, thank you boss sir.
Same old slave owner personalities.
Thanks a lot. Now, whenever I see a quote from one of these types of leadership people, I'm going to hear the quote in a southern slave owner voice like Leonardo Dicaprio in Django.
Would continue to work from home until they fire me.
Would continue to sit in office applying for other jobs until they fire me.
Any manager high up enough to be talking on a news channel doesn’t have the degree of interaction with workers to know what they think.
Source: every job I’ve ever had
As if they care what the plebes think.
As an Amazon employee...the man blatantly lied about the figures for those happy to RTO. He probably got them by seeing that ~10% of corporate staff are in the remote advocacy channel, and assumed that everyone else was...happy?
Regardless, Amazon is known as a place that values data above anything else. If you are a fresh grad PM and you're caught fudging or misrepresenting numbers to suit a narrative, guess what happens to you. You are more than likely PIP'd or fired
I'd say that Matt Garman should be fired for lying about the data, but given that Jassy has a habit of lying about figures also, the rot is at the top.
I think people working at amazon and shopping at amazon, both without clear necessity, are part of the problem.
As someone that has worked for/with several small companies, including those involved in wellness and promoting mental health, that's a load of shit. Lots of employers are ruthless and evil, including many of the ones people here work for. Amazon is no different, they're just much larger.
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This was always the intention.
Break up big tech. Regulate monopolies before the cause the second great depression.
amazon unhappy with happier employees can leave too
Amazon employees starting their own businesses in 3-2-1...
Why is even the writer of the article lying about the reason? Everyone knows this is about real estate value propping up the stock price.
Man, there are people who will argue until they are blue in the face that the purpose is not real estate.
The "only" evidence I can provide is that the values of proximal commercial properties is rapidly losing value because the workforce that provided business to those properties is no longer there. And just because the properties have investments made by the company doesn't mean they own them outright (despite the value tying into their businesses net worth).
Of course they would lie about this. It doesn't benefit the real estate owners and the business to publicly share that investments are losing value because of natural economics. The entire financing industry is based on lies to begin with, can't change that now (/s).
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Why would Amazon give a shit if real estate values go down? Amazon isn't a real estate company.
Are you actually interested in the answer to that or just running in here to argue? I figure it'll save me effort if you tell me before I answer.
Umm...good question. I think I came in here expecting to see some braindead takes and prepared to argue against them, but tell you what, I promise I'll be respectful and attentive in this thread. You sound like you might actually have a good answer to my question.
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"Please leave! If we fire you, we have to pay unemployment, but your replacements will be younger (less costly health problems) and will accept less pay. It's win-win-win for us if you leave of your own accord!"
I know two senior programmers at Amazon who found new jobs rather than RTO. Within 24 hours after they left they got emails from recruitment identifying them as “boomerang candidates”, offered them a decent raise, and offered full time remote work.
This is nothing more than getting people to quit and hiring back key personnel lost in the process.
They will do whatever they can get away with.
Melian Dialogue: "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"
this is why collective action with 21st century employment is important. all of them could sit down. but they won't because of humans constantly failing the prisoner's dilemma.
I've heard that this is the new type of layoffs big tech is doing. Massive layoffs that are required lower the stock price but people quitting is not news. So the best strategy to get rid of staff is to create a hostile work environment temporarily until you reach the right amount.
This is a really bad idea for long term health of a company. The people that stay are the ones that will struggle to find new jobs and the people that leave probably already have another job at a competing firm lined up.
It's just straight up dumb but keeps the stock price high and the CEO gets his bonus.
That's right about when I would start slacking off real hard.
Time to set up effigies on gibbets for totally peaceful protest purposes.
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Paging Tyler durden on this mf
Well... uhhh... that was Amazon's plan. I thought we were on the same page.
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