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Didn't Ukraine give up its nukes specifically under the condition that Russia would leave them alone as a free independent nation? Seems those terms went out the window years ago.
Ya.
Exactly. That treaty was already violated. So there is no longer any treaty preventing them from becomming a nuclear power again.
I'm surprised it took them this long to even threaten the idea, although it could simply be that they already built some weapons to have a stockpile before the announcement. I can totally see Putin thinking "oh they only have one bomb, that's an acceptable loss to stop them from building more before we have another MAD stalemate."
By years ago, ypu mean 2014?
I thought it was 2016, but yeah, somewhere around then.
And that the US would protect them if attacked.
'93 Budapest protocol I believe
That is not what the Budapest Memorandum says. It's really short so you can just read it but it only requires the US to bring the matter to the UN security counsel which they have. Russia has violated most provisions but the US hasn't violated any.
Knew I was missing something.
Kinda seems like a moot clause considering Russia has veto powers in the UNSC.
Ah I wasn't aware of that part of the deal. I wonder if they're threatening nukes because they're getting nervous that Trump might get re-elected and not honor that deal?
They're threatening to build nukes because they have nukes, I believe both France and Israel came out as nuclear nations in the same "we'll just float becoming a nuclear nation and see what happens."
There's still Soviet nuclear material missing and Ukraine has both mines and the know how to assemble older nukes anyway because that was done to some extent in Ukraine during the Soviet Union.
Yes and that exchange has been observed by the whole world. I doubt we will ever see one like it again
Anyone that gives up all of their nukes is nuts.. as demonstrated by the Ukraine case.
You might limit the amount, how many do you really need .. not thousands.. that's expensive anyway.
With this message I would not be surprised if in some underground mining complex Ukraine has centrifuges being installed already.
Well they claim they have what they need already.
Unknown if that's for a dirty bomb or a true nuclear fission weapon
They have ballistic missiles and plenty of nuclear materials. If the nuclear materials are weapons grade is doubtfull but not impossible
Ukrainian nuclear weapons aren't a credible threat to Russia, for the same reason Russia's aren't to Ukraine: It isn't under an immediate threat of being wiped out, just losing territory. I think this is aimed more at the United States, trying to pressure them into keeping up or increasing aid with the threat of nuclear proliferation (as Japan, Taiwan and Saudi Arabia have done). There is also the possibility that in a Trump administration, loss of US aid could turn the war back into an existential threat where nuclear weapons could be used.
To threaten Russia all you need to do is threaten Moscow and Petersburg. The rest of the country basically doesn't exist as far as power structures are concerned.
As much as I hate to see nuclear proliferation, Russia hasnt really given Ukraine much choice in the matter, seeing that Russia is willing to invade any non-nuclear states around it.
Do it. It could neutralize the threats from Russia about dropping nuclear bombs. It might be the only to get the scaredy-cats in Western Europe to agree to long-range weapons since Russia's threats would be quite useless.
Long range weapons and more weapons too.
One can hope.
Edit: BTW the image looks like a screenshot from C&C lol
Unfortunately this is the only kind of language Russia understands.
Understandable. Sad, but understandable.
Looks like roasted orc is back on the menu boys.
Seriously though, I doubt Ukraine would turn their own land into a radioactive wasteland. Which means they would fling them into russia. Which would escalate things
Russia launches nukes at Ukraine and it'll be WWIII
Which would escalate things
ROFL D'YA THINK!
I do. Which means the whole strategy of the announcement is simply to get more conventional weapons support from supportive nations.
LOL you jump to conclusions with such confidence
Aww yeah
Fuck it, three years of lil' putin's failed invasion and thousands of tankies being downvoted into a red paste we have to hose out of the square (lmao, see what I did there), nuke 'em.
That's what they want, a bloody war to appease the 5'6" neofuhrer.
Let's oblige.
That's a brilliant plan. Nuclear armed countries generally have a policy of "live and let live" once they get nuked so that should work out great.