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Google is developing a Terminal app for Android that'll let you run Linux apps. It'll download and run Debian in a VM for you.

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Engineers at Google started work on a new Terminal app for Android a couple of weeks ago. This Terminal app is part of the Android Virtualization Framework (AVF) and contains a WebView that connects to a Linux virtual machine via a local IP address, allowing you to run Linux commands from the Android host. Initially, you had to manually enable this Terminal app using a shell command and then configure the Linux VM yourself. However, in recent days, Google began work on integrating the Terminal app into Android as well as turning it into an all-in-one app for running a Linux distro in a VM.

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Google is still working on improving the Terminal app as well as AVF before shipping this feature. AVF already supports graphics and some input options, but it’s preparing to add support for backing up and restoring snapshots, nested virtualization, and devices with an x86_64 architecture. It’s also preparing to add some settings pages to the Terminal app, which is pretty barebones right now apart from a menu to copy the IP address and stop the existing VM instance. The settings pages will let you resize the disk, configure port forwarding, and potentially recover partitions.

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If you’re wondering why you’d want to run Linux apps on Android, then this feature is probably not for you. Google added Linux support to Chrome OS so developers with Chromebooks can run Linux apps that are useful for development. For example, Linux support on Chrome OS allows developers to run the Linux version of Android Studio, the recommended IDE for Android app development, on Chromebooks. It also lets them run Linux command line tools safely and securely in a container.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I want a Linux phone capable of running android apps

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Will never happen because of SafetyNet. Google does not want you running Android apps on anything other than their approved Android ROMs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Came in to say this. Linux on ARM is getting so close to daily driver ready.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago

Can't wait to have Google's telemetry injected into my Linux apps

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'd rather have a linux OS on the phone that can run Android apps.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 4 days ago (14 children)

Termux has been a thing for years.

[–] [email protected] 171 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah but I bet google's one will have lots of cool features like being harder to use and not supporting becoming root and requiring google play services for no discernable reason

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

And will be cancelled in 18 months with 2 weeks notice.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Termux recently got moved off of the play store, and is now only available on f-droid/github, because Google was further locking down what they allowed on their store.

And in addition to that, they recently added a restriction in later versions of Android: "Child process limit". Although this limit used to not there, when enabled, it prevents users from truly running arbitrary linux programs, like via termux.

Although the child process limit can still be disabled in developer options, it doesn't bode well for how flexible base android in the future will be, since many times corpos like Google move stuff into the "secret" options before eventually removing that dial all together.

TLDR: Termux has been, and is a thing... for now.

Also, I want to shout out winlator. It uses a linux proot, similator to termux, and has box64 and wine inside that proot that people can use to play games. I tested with Gungeon, and it even has controller support and performance, which is really impressive.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (16 children)

Termux doesn't run arbitrary software. There's a pretty large set that does but plenty doesn't. A VM would resolve that.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Much more appealing to me is running Android apps on Linux officially. I don't want to use Android as my main system, but I sure as heck would love to have one or two Android apps available on my Linux Machines.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

wayDroid does let you do that, in a fairly lightweight way (uses Linux namespaces iirc, similar to lxc.

It's still not full native, which would be even nicer. I play droidfish on my Linux machines using it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm glad it worked for you, it borked the fuck out of my system 🤣

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

It also borked the eff out of my system too, and I'm still seeing traces of its lefotver desktop files after uninstallation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

It always worked for me except in some cases the 'hardware' compositor (ie the wayland side) is a bit buggy for clipboards and inputs in general. I had issues with lxc network in past but that's long ago.

I still don't understand what borked your system. Waydroid downloads the images, mounts and runs them inside lxc just like normal android. It doesn't touch your /usr or anything else. Works well in immutable os too.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Why not androids terminal since android is base on linux this one just downloads debian

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Android userland is vastly different from 'linux' ie desktop linux people are used to. While there exists unshare/proot based containers (termux is an example) it might not be suitable for privileged features of kernel except for rooted devices.

Chromeos is much closer to desktop linux (init being upstart not systemd afaik) but still the 'linux' apps run inside crosvm to keep the locked down nature of the os intact.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah... While making users run Linux applications on a system where Google is root might be a wet dream for Google, it's more of a nightmare for me.

I really hate the fact that the vast majority of consumers are perfectly fine with not being in full control of their appliances and that Google (and others) register everything they do.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The reason so many people are fine with using corporate garbage is ironically the same reason they'd be just fine using something that wasn't that. Users can adapt and learn a system way better than most people think.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's the convenience angle.

I have very experienced IT friends who continue to use privacy invasive crap, knowingly because they like the convenience.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Cool and all but id rather run android apps on a linux phone.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I’ll just run Linux shit on…Linux

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Steam requires it to be installed in an x86 environment, whether natively, or through emulation (and most x86 emulation has significant overhead and imperfections)

But java applications should run natively if you supply an appropriate build of java. I have an arm VPS that I've hosted several Minecraft servers on without any problems (other than those I created myself) and I also learned by accident that Microsoft's builds of OpenJDK actually work for (at least some) Minecraft versions that they aren't supposed to, so I have to wonder if that's a happy accident or intentional work by Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

No, not unless you have an x86 Android device. While this will run Linux apps, it will be limited to the CPU architecture. Unless there is a x86 to ARM translation layer on Linux that I'm not aware of?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

box86/box64, and there's also FEX-emu which is used by the Asahi Linux project (Linux on Apple Silicon macbooks).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You can use QEMU's usermode emulation to transparently run ARM binaries with binfmt_misc on x86.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Unless there is a x86 to ARM translation layer on Linux that I’m not aware of?

https://steamdb.info/app/3043620/

It appears Valve is working on Proton for arm64, I was wondering if this is to attend the mobile market, a new Index or maybe a smaller Steam Deck.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

an all-in-one app for running a Linux distro in a VM.

No, it won't

let you run Linux apps on Android

It will let you run Linux apps in Linux

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago

This could actually make Samsung dex/desktop mode actually useful

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Irrelevant but the embed thumbnail terrifies me. why is the android fuzzy

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've never tried it myself, but I think you can run full Linux VMs on Pixel phones already. A quick search brings up https://www.xda-developers.com/nestbox-hands-on/

Anyone have experience with this or similar options? Personally I've never used anything more advanced than Termux (which is lean and super cool, but not a full-blown VM).

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Plasma Mobile for Android? 🤔

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

yeah I'll stick to the other way around

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

We already have termux for that, and on a rooted device you could do pretty much anything. This is pointless

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but I'm unwilling to root my device, so hopefully this will allow me to do some cool stuff too.

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