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From the article:

"I know for a fact that Wikipedia operates under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license, which explicitly states that if you're going to use the data, you must give attribution. As far as search engines go, they can get away with it because linking back to a Wikipedia article on the same page as the search results is considered attribution.

But in the case of Brave, not only are they disregarding the license - they're also charging money for the data and then giving third parties "rights" to that data."

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (3 children)

TIL; stay away from Brave.

Not only because of this article, but merely an hour ago I have read also this post (numerous links provided in the post) about the dubious Brendan Eich.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (6 children)

i don't get why people choose to use brave, firefox is great and if you really need that chromium base ungoogled chromium exists

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox has always been my go-to. In my opinion more people should use it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Librewolf is starting to replace Firefox for me. Either way birds of a feather!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I think LW is better out of the box. It has both UBO and Containers built in. Which is just awesome. I still use FF as my daily just because I have customized it beyond belief, but if I were to start over again I think I'd start with LW.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think Brave did some aggressive marketing, including social media posts and comments. I did buy their narrative at first too - a browser that already tuned to block ads and trackers. But later I've noticed that it constantly connects back to brave server and it looked suspicious. Firefox is the best.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed, a lot of Reddit comments felt very shilly. Firefox is king and helps prevent Google dictate web standards.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, exactly. If every browser is chromium based the web will be an unhealthy monoculture. Easy for a single player to dictate standards. Haven't seen this mentioned as much, but its really important

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave is great for less techy people because it's defaults are good enough. It's not necessary to tweak settings and install add-ons to get basic privacy. I definitely prefer Firefox, but it takes some knowledge to get it to surpass Brave's defaults.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like installing add-ons. I'd rather have it baked into the browser.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Add-ons give you a lot more choice and control than baked in options.

What's stopping Brave's blocker from just allowing ads from Brave's services? Can you see under the hood to tell if it's blocking everything or just surface level stuff?

A proprietary built in blocker is only as trustworthy as the people that made it, and as the links in this discussion suggest, Brave isn't earning much trust.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

you are right about choice and more control but brave's ad blocker is not proprietary here is the github link, ublock origin is still the king though

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

For me, Firefox is an inferior product in terms of security feature implementation

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Stock Firefox has very limited privacy protections.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well fuck. Thank you. Guess i need to change browsers. Any recs or is firefox best?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ungoogled Chromium is my current favourite

Previously was using Firefox Developer’s edition which is also decent. But I like a minimalist browser that acts more like a framework to which I can just add what I want, and doesn’t come with a lot of bullshit I don’t need.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

I liked Brave for a while. But slowly things just started to feel sketchy to me. Their weird insistence on putting their crypto bullshit and wallet services in your face. I just felt like, "I want a browser. Can't you just be a fucking browser?" At a certain point adding all these other 'services' they just end up just a weird-ass money making scheme, like they're two steps away from using my computer for crypto mining.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

tsk tsk tsk. When will people learn to just use Firefox or Librewolf? Do you want a web browser, or an AI training crypto wallet?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I read ya.

I was always skeptical about Brave with their side projects of crypto etc. Its funny because privacytools.io recommends them till this day.

I have been using Librewolf for some time now and I am happy with it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

privacytools.io is no longer the recommended one since the mod/domain owner split a long while ago, it now heavily endorses ads (such as nordvpn) you instead should use

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tools/

Brave still is a great browser just disable a few settings as recommended in the guide

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This not exclusive to brave, AI copyright is still not clear. Bing and others like Bard are doing the same.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Yeah and I expect it from those companies. I guess I was naive enough to think Brave would be better than this.

But then I didn't know about Eich's homophobia, antivaxx beliefs and basic awfulness either (as mentioned in the link u/Xaeris mentions.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Honestly I don't care about his political beliefs, and Brave search is the only competitve independent search engine out there, it's genuinely a joy to use. Until AI crawling gets banned they aren't doing anything wrong.

Brave continues to be the best mainstream private browser, backed by actions instead of empty words like Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you know that this "I don't care that this person holds bigoted beliefs and thinks that some people shouldn't have rights, they make the good computer program so who cares" attitude is why so many people think that tech guys are reactionary, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I am already used to using software from people who I don't agree with in politics.

We are using one right now, Lemmy's devs are AFAIK tankies, and that doesn't really matter.

Also not all people share your political opinions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also not all people share your political opinions.

how are you going to call "this group shouldn't have the rights that everyone else has" something as quaint as a "political opinion"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You don't think there's anything wrong with selling you the 'rights' to other people's content?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

the shady world of brave

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whelp that’s it I’m going to Firefox. That’s all I needed to see

Edit: annnd uninstalled. That’s all she wrote

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Lol isn't that what all these ai chatbots are doing?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well fuck, what am I supposed to use? I use bitwarden for passwords, so that shit works everywhere, but I want a mobile browser and a desktop browser that share history. Being able to share tabs between devices is a nice bonus.

Firefox on mobile is hot garbage with infuriating UI bugs. I keep trying to switch to it, and keep switching away after a few days.

I'm sure as shit not going to Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What issues are you encountering on android Firefox? I've used Firefox + ublock for years and I don't think I have ever encountered an issue that was fixed by using chrome instead.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I've never had any big problems with Firefox Android either. I do prefer the Fennec branch though, since it's on F-Droid and has about:config

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I use Firefox on iOS and grapheneOS and it works fine. UI is not as nice as others but it works. Never seen bugs personally ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't Firefox on iOS essentially a skinned Safari? Unless Apple has changed their stance, I thought all browsers had to use webkit?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is this only referring to the Brave search engine?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it is designed by their company. Their products represent their leadership.

Firefox and DDG for me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I honestly just started cracking up after seeing DDG mentioned after those initial 2 sentences.

DuckDuckGo does not care about your privacy. Switch to SearX, StartPage, or Kagi.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

What makes you say DDG does not care about privacy?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like to shout out Mull (Firefox based) and Mulch (Chrome based) web browsers. They are basically more secure and private versions of those app and they maintained by the devs of DivestOS which is the privacy Android OS that is recommended for devices that aren't Pixels.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does anyone have another Chromium browser recommendation for Android?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Idk why you want to go with chromium based, firefox got mobile extensions!

Ublock origin on the go

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
  • On Android, Firefox lacks per-site process isolation, which makes it less secure than Chromium browsers (not insecure, just less secure.)
  • With privacy.resistFingerprinting on, Firefox on Android is stuck at 60hz, which I don't like.
  • There is a noticeable difference in performance between Firefox and Chromium. Firefox is consistently slower when loading webpages, which you notice after using Chromium.

Don't get me wrong, I like Firefox. I use LibreWolf on desktop. I just can't justify using it on Android, at least not yet. Guess I'll go back to using Vanadium.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that shady? Arent all other AI companies + many other data gather services doing exactly the same thing. We need to wait for the court cases to conclude if AI datasets can use publicly available information for training.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Just because multiple companies are doing it doesn't make it less shady. They're literally selling you 'rights' to content that isn't theirs to sell.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I've been telling people for over a year to not use brave after they did that crypto referral injection thing lol

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