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The multinational has removed dozens of apps, even though the Kremlin’s censorship body did not order the move. These services, half-permitted by the government, enable people in Russia to access social networks and independent media

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

The U.S. company — whose phones are still sold in Russian stores despite the firm officially leaving the market due to the invasion of Ukraine...

Apple taking a brave stand as ever.

Edit: This was not the smartest comment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Apple left Russia but their phones are still making it there from China. What stand do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is your expectation that Apple will send in troops to raid phone stores inside of Russia?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe they expect them to stop China from selling them to Russia, bahahaha

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I misunderstood and my comment wasn't well considered. It was even dumb.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

This is why you don't buy into closed-garden ecosystems like this. If you're on iOS, there's nothing you can do about it, you're at their mercy. Android has great support for side loading. There's really only one choice if you care about freedom.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You can side load on iPhone, it’s just not as easy. I have multiple side loaded apps.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't you have to renew them all the time though?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not anymore if you use their new sideloading framework... which is only available in the EU

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

You still have to if you sign yourself. You still need a dev Account to sign for longer timeframe

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

So you're saying that Apple doesn't have great support for side loaded apps unlike Android.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Suspicious!

You can use most VPN services via the Wireguard or OpenVPN apps though, or even via some of the protocols natively supported by iOS not requiring any third-party app.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Normies never heard about wireguard nor openvpn, this enough to deter a lot of ppl imo

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Oh I'm not trying to imply otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The issue is 3rd party apps make it easier for non-techie people to subvert censorship. Raising the bar works bigly in the Kremlin's favor.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago

Corporations. Are. Not. Your. Friend.

This message courtesy of corporations rent seeking on public infrastructure our economies cannot survive without.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I see no mention of what they actually removed or how reputable they are. "VPN apps" are a reasonably common approach to spyware. (Common enough that literally Facebook has done it.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You mean vpn apps deploy spyware?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They're a good actual mechanism for spyware, because they see all your traffic.

Https means that they can't see the actual contents without installing a root certificate, but they can see all the sites you visit and for how long. Reputable providers (at least the good ones) do not log any of this, but you should have a high level of trust in a provider to use their VPN, because they see a lot still.

That doesn't mean that they didn't ban legit VPNs. I don't know. But it doesn't really qualify as "reporting news" without at least a list of the apps that were banned, because they're providing no information at all about the legitimacy of the apps, and it's a category appealing to bad actors.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not familiar with iphones, can't you just use plain wireguard?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Whoops! Did they put them back I hope?

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