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Tesla has finally released Full Self-Driving (FSD) for the Cybertruck to Tesla employees and Early Access Testers with update 2024.32.20.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Supervised Full Self-Driving (FSD)

sounds like an oxymoron

i noticed they didnt use any of the industry standard terminology (autonomous driving level)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

As long as the "driver" is responsible in case of a crash and not the manufacturer of the car, it will stay supervised no matter what the underlying tech is. "But your honour, I wasn't paying any attention, it was the autonomous car that drove over the kid" is not a valid defence.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Except it has been advertised as full self driving for about a decade now, and Elon Musk has even claimed it's safer than a human driver, because it doesn't lose concentration or attention.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

elon is claiming this with the same hubris as the idiot submersible guy who was so cheap he killed himself... ignoring all industry standards to claim he knows better

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

God, wouldn't that be some karma if musk got killed by one of his own cars on 'autopilot'

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Exactly, but more than that, they both ignore(d) testing, that showed it wasn't safe!!!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was exactly the point. There are quite a number of cars with actual self-driving technology, where the driver is not responsible. Or if there is no driver.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Really? I wasn't aware of that, from which manufacturer and where can I buy one?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Mercedes, some states in USA.
But it's only verified for day time, and on marked roads.
But that's still better than Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Mostly you can't - most fsd options I'm aware of are mostly in the robotaxi space. Here's a website that tracks where they're available.

Otherwise your best bet today that I know of would be Mercedes Drive Pilot, which has a Level 3 rating for being autonomous.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There aren't. Mercedes system only works in two states on freeways during the daytime on sunny days at speeds below 40MPH with clearly marked lines and no construction. There are so many qualifiers that it's basically useless outside of the attention grabbing headlines.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Me in my Mercedes: activates FSD one one-thousand, two one-thousand, three one-thousand deactivates FSD wow! The future is here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Mercedes and BMW IIRC

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the autonomous driving levels are designed to includes vehicles with no driver whatsoever, as that is an inevitability of self driving vehicles.

not sure what youre going on about here.

e. for the ignorant: https://www.faistgroup.com/news/autonomous-vehicles-levels/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

How is this downvoted? It's a correct response to a false claim: "no matter what the underlying tech is. "
The post responded to is basically nonsensical.

Also this part:

As long as the “driver” is responsible in case of a crash and not the manufacturer of the car, it will stay supervised

If this was changed to "it must stay supervised" It would make more sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Because it is a legal question, not a technological one.
Now, I don't know if the for example US traffic law has a tickbox somewhere a manufacturer can go and mark that they will take full responsibility in case of any accident and it will never be the result or liability of the owner/"driver" of the car, but until it does exist there is only supervised self driving, no matter how well or poorly it actually functions or what it does.

Even the current robotaxi endeavours are just one major fatal accident away from grinding to a halt when the courts start figuring out who in the chain from insurer to owner to manufacturer and every worker and designer who has even remotely touched the project is actually responsible for that death.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Because it is a legal question,

I don't get it, you wrote: " it will stay supervised", even though we've seen numerous cases where it was not. It just doesn't make sense, because it's contrary to reality. Disregarding it is illegal. But because it's illegal it would make sense to write it MUST stay supervised.
But then there's the matter of Mercedes FSD that is actually legal!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

The moron is in charge

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The thing that is ILLEGALLY called Full Self Driving!
Because it's not actually FSD.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

That article screams "written by an AI". It repeats itself so much, it's like a kid trying to hit the 1k word requirement for an essay in high school English.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

imagine paying a subscription to drive your car

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Worse, paying a subscription so you don’t drive your truck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Frame shift drive? About damn time!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Throttle up to engage

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Friendship drive charging...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

1.. 2.. 3..

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

fat stupid dicks

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's cool if these idiots want to waste their own lives, but why does my life and my homies need to be endangered?

#bancars