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Despite strong evidence that the average voter in the presidential election doesn’t care a hoot about international trade policy, Donald Trump and his running mate JD Vance have been promising to step up Trump’s tariff war with China.

As usual, they’re backing their promise with lies and other humbug.

“A tariff is a tax on a foreign country,” Trump asserted at an Aug. 19 rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., for example. “That’s the way it is, whether you like it or not. A lot of people like to say it’s a tax on us. No, no, no. It’s a tax on a foreign country.”

Questioned during an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Aug. 25 about the effect of Trump’s tariffs on ordinary households — and economists’ conclusion that consumers pay the price — Vance asserted that “economists really disagree about the effects of tariffs.”

They’re wrong on both counts.

In truth, there’s no detectable disagreement among economists. In two polls conducted by the Booth School of Business at the University of Chicago, panels of economists unanimously agreed that American households would pay the price for Trump’s tariffs.

Those opinions held in a March 2018 poll and a May 2019 poll of panels of 43 leading academic economists. (The panels weren’t identical but did overlap; three respondents in the first poll didn’t provide answers and 11 didn’t answer or were “uncertain” in the second.)

The Harris campaign is more forthright about the cost of tariffs to the average consumer, although its specific estimates about the magnitude of the cost of tariffs Trump has proposed for the future — almost $4,000 a year on middle class households — can be questioned.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Republicans are bad for working people. Republicans are bad for the rule of law. Republicans are bad for the economy. Republicans are bad for individual rights. Republicans are bad on foreign policy and defense. Republicans are bad for America. Heck, Republicans are even bad for Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

Republicans have so masochistic shit going on. They don't mind hurting themselves as long as the people they dislike get hurt too. Evil cunts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

But they're good for the short term profits of the oligarchs. That's all they care about.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

This is really no different from his assertion that NATO countries are somehow supposed to be paying "dues" or something, like a sort of mafia protection racket. He just speaks "stupid person" when the opportunity presents, any time the actual reality is a little on the complicated side and gives him some room to do so.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

It was clear that Trump doesn't understand the concept when he was proclaiming in 2016 that "Mexico is going to pay for the wall".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It's not uh duh for lots of folks, which is the root talking point.

Tariffs are seen as creating a vacuum that domestic producers will fill. The problem is it doesn't happen immediately, or ever. There's lots of additional conditions that all need to align for domestic business to fill the gap, outcompete, then survive beyond the tariff lifespan

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I like tariffs to keep us closer to allies and farther from enemies. I wish we were a paragon of freedom and democracy and had no tariffs for any country that was reasonably the same, but the less democratic and the less individual rights then the higher the tariffs. oh except carbon tax as well but that should apply internally as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

One thing I'll agree with y'all on: no tariffs! Tariffs bad, trade wars bad. It was bad when Trump did it, and it they're bad when Biden did it.