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Presidential candidate Jill Stein says the Green Party has transformed political agendas (www.wmnf.org)

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago

Ever since reading about her at a table with Putin and Flynn at a Russian state propaganda outlets fundraiser during the initial Trump election, and her subsequently getting significant boosts and support from Russia during the 2016 election….

I just can’t trust her. Even if she was just getting played for a fool by the company she kept, that’s a level of dangerously ignorant that isn’t appropriate in a political leader in my opinion. That’s giving her significant benefit of the doubt, the worse case is that she knew exactly what she was doing.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Astroturfed some agendas, maybe.

I like what Green says. Nobody knows what Green does. I'd be happy enough to throw them some votes for a municipal or county level seat or two to see what they do with it, but a Green vote is a wasted vote at the Federal level right now.

*points up* that's me, voting my conscience.

edit: minor typo for grammar

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

The green party is more interested in messaging than they are in getting actual positive change done. They have no interest in actually fixing the system, they just want to bitch about it. It'd be really cool if they could get on the same team, but as it stands now the green party is 100% functioning as an asset to the Trump campaign and they're doing it willingly.

Jill Stein is not a serious person. She shows up every 4 years and does nothing but spread bullshit talking points very similar to most of the content OP posts. Fluff about how evil the duopoly is and exactly zero about how helping the GOP win helps us.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 2 weeks ago

Greens are in other elections besides presidential:

Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[68] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

He won’t see this because he blocked me, but he’s either intentionally lying or using an inaccurate source. There are currently only 142 Greens in elected office in the US. No federal positions, eight state positions (though most were not elected as Greens), and the rest have been local/municipal elections.

Source - Wikipedia

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I never knew there were so many! Can you provide your source for this? I'm having trouble finding numbers that agree.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States#Membership

Tho someone else mentioned they have updated numbers. But I haven't looked at the website they cited yet.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, well you should check out your source because it doesn't agree with the numbers you posted. Though it's possible I'm misreading the numbers from wiki.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I just did a cut and paste from the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States#Membership

The Green Party's membership encompasses the fourth-highest percentage of registered voters in the United States, with a total membership of 234,120.[71] The Green Party has its strongest popular support on the Pacific Coast, Upper Great Lakes, and Northeast, as reflected in the geographical distribution of Green candidates elected.[72] As of June 2007, Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[73] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).

This is what it is showing me right now.

What is Wikipedia showing you? I'm looking at the page right now as I type this and just cut and pasted that

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't have a horse in this race, but 2007 seems a little outdated, and there even is a wiki page for this exact topic, maybe you could use this for future discussions.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That is more updated. I'll try using that in the future. Thank you!

EDIT: LOL at the downvotes of a comment saying I'll use the most updated info from the user that helped. :)

[-] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago

Updated source (thanks to @[email protected] for the info) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States

State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)

Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)

Current Green Party Mayors

Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)

Former Green Party Mayors

John Reed - Fairfax, California
Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
Robb Davis - Davis, California
Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
Jason West - New Paltz, New York

Current Green Party City & County Council Members

Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
David Grover - Trinidad, California
Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
John Keener - Pacifica, California
Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California

Former Green Party City & County Council Members

Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts

Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)

Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
Carl D'Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
Vincent O'Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
John Powell - Montecito, California
Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota

Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)

John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
Kim O'Connor - Hillsborough County, Florida
Jill Stein - Lexington, Massachusetts
Raymond C. Meyer - Lucas County Health Center, Iowa
Amy Martenson - Napa Valley College, California
MK Merelice - Brookline, Massachusetts
Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

If by "transformed" you mean "killed", sure.

How did that "Green New Deal" work out?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal

"The first U.S. politician to run on a Green New Deal platform was Howie Hawkins of the Green Party when he ran for governor of New York in 2010.[10] Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein ran on a Green New Deal platform in 2012 and 2016.[11]

In the 2014 Congressional race in California, Independent candidate for CA-33 and author Marianne Williamson endorsed the Green New Deal in her campaign platform.[68]"

It's a punchline, not a policy.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Jill Stein has caused untold damage to the environmental movement and should go away and never come back.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

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[+] [email protected] -23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

To save you all some time:

I posted an article that's already widely available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy. I didn’t write it or create the content. It's already out there for anyone to see, so all I did was share it here for discussion. If you disagree with the article itself, that's fine, but calling for it to be censored or accusing me of pushing an agenda simply because it's not what you want to read seems misguided. Open debate requires different perspectives, not shutting down content you don't like.

I’m done wasting my time trying to convince you that I’m not a Republican, that I don’t live in Russia, or that despite posting hundreds of socialist articles to the socialist community, I’m somehow not a socialist. If that’s what you want to believe, fine, go ahead.

If you’re getting worked up over a news article I didn’t even write, that’s on you. Be mad if you want, but it’s not my job to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Either way, not my problem.

In the past, when I’ve tried to defend myself, people accuse me of not listening. If I stay quiet, they take it as guilt.

Here’s the deal: I’m still going to post what I want in this community because what I’m posting fits within the theme and guidelines of this community which celebrates diversity of thought and opinion.

So, go ahead and expect me to copy and paste this comment into the many, many arguments you’re going to try and start. Whether you believe me or not, it’s not my job to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Not my problem. :)

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Another new name change, huh? Neat.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 2 weeks ago

Here’s the deal: I’m still going to post what I want in this community because what I’m posting fits within the theme and guidelines of this community which celebrates diversity of thought and opinion.

Moderation across lemmy seems to think of their role as filtering for specific agendas. Its unacceptable.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 weeks ago

Moderation across lemmy seems to think of their role as filtering for specific agendas. Its unacceptable.

True! But the mods here are pretty cool.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, I dont agree with that. Most are fine. Some are clearly editorial in their moderation.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 2 weeks ago

Well I should clarify then: From what I have noticed here, the mods seem cool to me. :)

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, its an perspective you are completely entitled to and i don't hold it against you.

I've just seen too much evidence to the contrary. At the same time, its a pretty crappy job that I don't envy. I think we need better technical solutions that both support mods and make their jobs less crappy, but also prevent moderators from being able to "own" a sub like politics or world. I think we should recognize that subs and conversations are something we all create with our interactions and that no one owns them individually; it was one of my primary issues with reddit, that they thought they owned something they did not create, our conversations. There are some people who are mods on major subs on lemmy who should never be in a position of authority and act like tin-pot dictators.

Two things I think would massively help (that don't involve a technical fix):

First, no moderation from the bench. If you are involved in a thread having a conversation, you are not permitted to moderate in that thread. If moderation is required, they need to call in a second mod.

Second, mods have to follow the rules as well, and are not permitted to create rules on an ad-hoc basis. Rules should go through a committee where the guiding principal should be minority right, majority rule. Minority opinions should not be silenced due because of moderators and have the right to exist. Toxic moderation is a serious issue and has helped to create a culture of abuse and brigading in this sub.

We have some real challenges to consider as we continue to develop the fediverse.

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