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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

didn't everyone run out, two years into the war (1915/6?) for the exact same reason that US/Russia/Europe recently did?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

It took them years of intense warfare to run out. NATO stockpiles would last a few months. That's not indefensible because NATO doesn't intend to fight an artillery war, but the limited industrial capacity is still concerning. I suppose that many other factories would be refitted for the production of weapons if a major war actually broke out, but I do worry that Western Europe has gone soft after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Again, that's not indefensible because spending vast amounts of money on weapons in the absence of any enemies that would pose a serious threat is not prudent, but rearming now seems like the wise course of action.

(Not noncredible enough? Too noncredible? I'm only qualified to comment because I played StarCraft a lot.)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Maintaining idle production capacity is expensive. Really expensive, for such specialized tooling. And war has changed a lot since 1918, artillery is no longer a lone fighting force like it once was. Countries have chosen to tool for different types of armament in a lot broader strokes.

I'm sure, if the need arose, plants could retool a lot faster than you realize.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s not indefensible because NATO doesn’t intend to fight an artillery war

We didn't expect to fight a war against a country with an army straight out of WW2.

We're trying to help a country fight a war with 60 year old gear. Give them real tech and let them roll the idiots.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Considering that's what the only two militaries that could challenge NATO are...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Don't leave me in suspense, who does number 2 work for?!?!

No military could challenge nato. If China tried they would suddenly have the largest fleet of permanent submarines in history, like Russia has been.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's great, but they still conquered all of mainland Asia!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Just need a deep tank line to deal with the Russian zergling rush

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How many drones per day can Europe make though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Spoilers: not a lot

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Dumb artillery or smart ones?