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Why is Contrapoints getting so much hate? (lemm.ee)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I saw someone say it was because she's supporting dems but that doesn't seem like enough for the amount of dunking I've seen. Did y'all think she was so far to the left that that would be a betrayal? I've typically thought of her as a progressive more than a leftist. Is there some statement she made I'm not aware of?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Shamelessly stolen from r/youtubedrama I take no accountability:

A couple of things happened that culminated in her going private. First, Anti-zionist folks have been accusing her for awhile of not being outspoken enough about the genocide (despite the fact she has made her stance on the topic known repeatedly). Next, she made a post this week condemning some actual anti-semitism, stating that it was harmful to the actual end-genocide movement. This post got her some backlash from anti-zionists once again, not sure why. Then she got kinda libbed up watching the DNC and made a short tweet about how good of a speaker Obama is. The Obama tweet caused a fresh wave of people attacking her due to Obama’s war crimes, and Contrapoints started being harassed with people sending her death threats and gorey videos of what’s going on in Palestine. She made a statement about how awful and unhelpful the harassment is, and then she deleted the tweets and went to private. You can see the deleted tweets by searching for the @ContraDeletes account on twitter.

It seems like a case of chronically online people taking things way too far and eating their own. I feel bad for Natalie tbh, so I am a bit biased.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I keep running into that issue where if I watch or read pro palistine content neo Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and anti semitism starts to pop up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

One of the most uncomfortable things for me about the last almost-year is realising that loud people equating anti-zionism to antisemitism has undermined my ability to spot genuine antisemitism within the left; through organising, I got to know some Jewish pro-palestine student organisers and it was grim to see how they were a lightning rod for bigot's hatred, and how used to it they were.

One friend had studied in Israel and said that the propaganda that's directed towards Israelis, especially young Israelis, was horrifying to her because as well as demonising Palestinians, they leveraged generational trauma around the Holocaust. She said that it hurt to see one genocide being used to fuel another because it felt like the Holocaust was still ongoing, still claiming lives. She said that it also felt like genuine antisemitism was also platformed often with the propaganda, because it helps to reinforce the idea that Jewish people will never be safe without a Jewish state.

She also said that buying into this rhetoric is why she used to be pro-zionism. What really sticks with me is when she explained how her position on the matter changed, she described it as a mounting sense of cognitive dissonance that begin to morph into dread as she realised how the cycle of violence perpetuates: "we were told that Palestinians wanted to exterminate and that it was necessary to fight back. Realising the lie in this came with the horrifying thought of 'oh God, if they didn't want to kill us all before, they surely must now'. This was so scary that I almost rebounded back into being Zionist, but the truth of it is that Palestinians, like Jews, just want to live and be safe".

This struck me because I hadn't realised how much Israel's genocide of Palestine depended on constructing Jewish people as an "other". Another person in that discussion commented that even if they only cared for the lives of Jews, they would still be anti-Zionist, because under such rhetoric of hate, the cycle of genocidal violence will continue, and no-one will be safe — Jews, Palestinians or otherwise

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Homie, I don't even know who that is. I've not seen anyone talking about them on lemmy or mastodon yet (haven't scrolled much today so far though).

Gotta remember, the kind of crowd you're asking questions to here is going to run heavy to people that don't pay attention to the kind of person that's not known by anything but their user name on whatever it is, if they aren't hugely well known.

Do you have any links to help people that might be willing to try and figure out an answer despite not knowing who it is?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She's a very popular longform video essayist.

She's also trans, so I assume any undeserved hate stems from that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, anti-zionists are pretty infamous for hating trans people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Champagne socialist, IMO. Comes from wealth and privilege and makes a stupid amount from Patreon subs, most of which probably have no clue what Natalie's net worth is. Has good opinions sometimes but I don't know, personally I just find it weird as hell when literal millionaires act like they're for the people while simultaneously living that bougee lifestyle because they can't fathom living like regular folks and perhaps using their wealth to help regular folks out.

It weirds me out that a millionaire leftist sees fit to ask her working class supporters for money while hiding her net worth and how much she pulls in from Patreon each month.

I've gotten tons of hate for this opinion in the past and I fully expect it now, because Contrapoints has reached Breadtube royalty status.

If I'm starving and someone claiming to be my ally has a chest freezer full of steaks in their basement that they're seemingly squirreling away... I don't think it's hard to see why there's some discomfort there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

This is somehow the case with many "leftist creators" who made it big. Like, we don't expect them to wear rags but they definitely should give back to the community, however that would look like. Anyway I still like many of her video essays and won't stop watching them but if I have money to spend I will do so on a homeless shelter and not a creator's patreon lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Grifters gonna grift, why do people fund them?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Because these people actively develop a parasocial relationship with their audiences.