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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

A large amount of angry, angry disillusioned people. I'm culturally close enough to understand a bit, if not 100% of it. There's been a lot of cultural change really fast in the West, and increasingly bad economic conditions for the poor, rural and/or uneducated at the same time. As a result, a bubble of people who are completely reactionary and want to tear down the establishment has formed. Trump just managed to mobilize them.

The part I don't really get is the appeal of the guy himself. It's like they want to inflict him on the people they're angry at, as if he's a weapon and not a leader who will be in charge of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s like they want to inflict him on the people they’re angry at, as if he’s a weapon

This completely nails it. Trump's lack of a filter and eagerness to pick fights makes him look like a fearless champion for his followers. He isn't going to pull punches or compromise with anyone.

A very conservative relative of mine likened supporting Trump to hiring a sleazy but effective lawyer: his personality and methods are irrelevant; you hired him to achieve specific results and the only thing that matters is his ability to achieve those results. If it makes the opposition scream then that's just added entertainment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What I don't get is he had four years already to achieve results and all he did was make the country worse off, but somehow everyone seems to have forgotten that 😭

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, but he hurt the right people. Or at least put on a show of doing it, somehow Mexico got out of USMCA just fine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, lot of bitterness from perceived left wing elitism that they feel derided them and marginalized them, Trump is not a political platform, it's just resentment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As fascism always is.

They could have picked someone who's not transparently a crayon-eating moron, though...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Considering that both Mussolini and Hitler were also incompetent fucking morons, it's no surprise that modern fascists also pick leaders like them.

They're sending their best.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Trump represents modern conservatism, but he himself? I'm not sure he actually stands for a whole lot beyond his own orange bubble.

He's mostly a blank slate (philosophically and intellectually) that the people around him can use to get their agendas enacted. He surrounds himself with sycophants and bootlickers, so as long as they promise him wealth and power, he is content to parrot the talking points he's given.

Steven Miller, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, and all the others...those are the real evil motherfuckers. When Trump is out of the picture, they'll find some other half-wit to puppet. The fight won't end when one figurehead fades in to history.

idk, just one dude's thoughts.

(Just to be clear, none of that absolves him of the real damage he's done. Malicious indifference is still malicious.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Racism. Christian extremism. Both not exclusive to themselves. Both have felt ignored and feed on the the thoughts of being victims due to their "unpopular" beliefs. There is much more to this subject but this is the best I can simplify it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
  1. Anti-federalism -- Deep rooted distrust of the Federal Government has been around since the dawn of the USA, though its often been part of the minority.

  2. Know Nothing / Native American Party -- 1850s era movement. Protectionist, isolationist, nativist. Originally they popped up as anti-Irish and anti-Catholic, but overall the concept is that immigrants suck. The modern concept is: "I know nothing", about the movement. The overall idea is that even in the 1800s, it was bad to look like a racist bigot, so you'd keep your support for these causes secret. Everyone in the party knows that "the Know Nothings are larger than everyone expects", but no one really knows how big the movement is. And that's the point.

  3. America First -- 1930s saw the rise of Fascism vs Communism in Europe with the dawn of the Spanish civil war. The "America First" movement focused on isolationism and even pro-German / Nazi slant mixed with religious fervor. This was pushed by tech-gurus of the time: Charles Lindberg (airplane entrepreneur, first Trans-atlantic flight, etc. etc.), and the Christian Front. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Square_Garden).

  4. NAFTA -- 1990s free-trade by Bill Clinton opened up Mexico and Canada as incredible trading partners. However, local industry / local steel lost out as companies started to shop in Mexico for material. As Bill Clinton was a huge pusher of NAFTA, the anti-NAFTA political group consolidated under Republicans. This is likely where the bulk of blue-collar workers is coming from, especially because Trump started adding Tariffs / anti-globalism concepts back to the forefront of American Politics.


Some more recent context:

  1. Trump has been building his brand for decades as a very rich, very macho straight-talker. Even in the 80s and earlier, there's a large number of Hotels, Casinos, Resorts, Golf Courses (etc. etc.) that have relatively high reputation among Americans in general with Trump's name.

  2. Trump reads from the teleprompter in "another voice", openly showing his disdain for public speaking and the political system. Anyone who has lost faith in the political system loves this. Trump pretends that the teleprompter is forcing him to talk and its all just a "through the motions" thing. Then Trump obviously goes off teleprompter and talks about different concepts, the "real stuff". (Or so goes his branding). This simple trick is enough to get the gist to his followers: don't listen to what I say (because I'm being forced to say this politically correct crap). This means that Trump's true actions are only limited to the imagination of the listener.

  3. Trump is playing and leaning into the borne again Christian role. From a religious perspective, the "former enemy / former outsider" coming into religion is a common story and religious love it. Trump was openly a Democrat in the 90s / 00s before switching into Republicanism.


The "bulk" of Trump's political style is Know Nothing + Macho + anti-political correctness.