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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Except the vast majority of people who use "diversity is our strength" as a slogan are focused on superficial "diversity", while ironically still demanding all remain in ideological lockstep; no diversity of that kind tolerated within the 'in-group', that's for sure, lol.

There's much more true, pragmatically 'useful' diversity in, for example, a group of ten white males whose values and views cross the political etc. spectrums, than in a group of ten people of all different races, half male half female, who all have the exact same political views and values as each other.

The Olympics is about 'blindly' rewarding the best of the best, regardless of those superficial characteristics, so the "diversity is our strength" ideologues don't get to 'claim' it, its premise directly contradicts those people's values--they'd rather a job position be filled by someone who meets a sex or race quota, than simply hiring whoever is best for the job, etc.

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe you.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)

It's an extremely obvious truth. Whenever that ideological group either praises the existence of diversity or criticizes the lack of it, they're always talking about something superficial, like race or sex. I defy you to find me a single example of someone using that phrase, who is defining "diversity" as a variety in ideological/political/value differences. You know, something that actually makes people different in a meaningful way.

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

  1. Differences like race/sex being only "superficial" and therefore unimportant is a disingenuous strawman. These attributes are also associated with substantial differences in experience, epistemologies, and even ideologies (white feminists can differ in ideology from black and Asian feminists), all of which can productively contribute to more and better solutions than if those diversities were not present.

  2. Ideological diversity while certainly beneficial, can also hamper collaboration. Especially when one ideology dehumanized or embodies an existential threat to other members of the team. Some shared ideology around shared humanity and collaboration is needed right. Relatedly, a single ideology amongst one group can also be a point of productive focus. For example anti-abortion movements or abolishing slavery.

  3. The makeup of the best team for the best jobs depends on the project as well, whether it's a political science textbook, a cross-cultural advertising campaign, or a piece of universal design. A team with some diversity along ideological, cultural, gendered lines while also sharing commonalities can be better equipped to tackle a range of problems by mitigating glaring gaps

  4. I don't know why you're drawing this line between ideology, race, and gender. Shit is intersectional.

Here is your example. We have whole institutions dedicated to diversity of ideology. It's called Academia. Diversity of ideology is the OG diversity. It's the vanilla default status quo of diversity.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These attributes are also associated with substantial differences in experience, epistemologies, and even ideologies

Nothing is stopping one from seeking these differences directly, and it's literally bigoted and prejudicial to say "I know this person is going to have a different perspective because their skin is this color/they are this sex". You're literally advocating for stereotyping people according to those immutable characteristics. Disgusting.

Ideological diversity while certainly beneficial, can also hamper collaboration.

I thought diversity was strength. Guess it's instead "diversity specifically of the types I define is strength, provided it's my unique definition of strength (read: intellectual homogeneity)".

I don’t know why you’re drawing this line between ideology, race, and gender. Shit is intersectional.

More thinly-veiled bigotry, essentially saying that race and gender determine ideology. Gross.

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

You're literally advocating for stereotyping people according to those immutable characteristics. Disgusting.

Nice try, but no. That's really not what I was saying. The conversation is about how environmental context (culture, history, positionality) influences experiences and how individuals with different experiences can contribute uniquely.

I thought diversity was strength. Guess it's instead "diversity specifically of the types I define is strength, provided it's my unique definition of strength (read: intellectual homogeneity)".

Diversity has its strengths and weaknesses depending on context. For example ethno nationalism can lead to powerful states of a kind, but as an ideology it is inherently oppressive and dehumanizing, so I'd argue it's ethically wrong. Being a particular race or gender is never ethically wrong, but ideologies certainly can be.

More thinly-veiled bigotry, essentially saying that race and gender determine ideology. Gross.

Again, deliberately misinterpreting the statement. Nobody is talking about race/sex being deterministic of ideology and your little trap conflating social groups and individual identity is transparent and silly.

You fail troll.

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