this post was submitted on 21 Jul 2024
56 points (96.7% liked)

Facepalm

2650 readers
78 users here now

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

ban tipping. enforce living wages

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

American tipping culture is bullshit. And to start with 30% is just plain stupid.

But not tipping at all is bullshit. I really need the taxfree money to buy drugs to cope with how fucking annoying and disrespectful half of all my guests are.

Id wish to be paid enough to not need tips, but to afford that my boss would have to raise the prices and other venues would snatch the costumers.

Just tip cash (5-15% is enough in most of europe).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Whenever those POS ask for a tip I always click "no tip" and I learned to not worry about what someone else will think. I felt pressured the first time, but I learned that nothing happens if you don't give a tip. I believe those go straight to the owner anyway.

I still have some hangups about when I am in a restaurant and I still do tip as this is still expected. I just stopped going to restaurants, and I only end up there is someone drags me in.

I hate that whole tip cancer culture, which essentially exists to cheat me to think I'm paying less.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

A surprising amount of those kiosks straight up abuse tipping culture simply as another form of payment. My wife has worked at two places where the money just goes to the owner and the employee never sees a tip. I’ve also been directly told the number of times that tips don’t go to the employees by the employees.

I don’t trust it. I only tip in cash if I do.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm wondering how American friends look at paying by card what you owe the restaurant while paying the tip in cash. Even though these slimy tip gadgets are invading Europe en masse, they're still not nearly as ubiquitous as they are in the States. So my question is why isn't it as common to saying you always tip 10% at the register and give the rest in cash so it goes to the server and not into the tip pool?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Bet this was at a pickup counter for a restaurant with no table service

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I see them everywhere. The most insulting one was at sprinkles where I had to place order in the POS myself and the guy was just handing me a box from the shelf right behind him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The most insulting one I've seen is at a self-serve convenience store in the Newark Airport. There is no staff that you ever interact with. Who does the tip go to? You for ringing yourself up?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I had a coffee vending machine in the airport asking for a tip. Incredible.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

And that's why I don't feel guilty not tipping some places. What am I tipping for? Nothing.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't support the idea of tipping. The responsibility shouldn't fall on the consumer to ensure that employees are paid well — that competition is, and should be, between the employer and employee — tipping encourages employers to underpay their employees, thereby artificially reducing their overhead. It makes even less sense when one considers people who set their own rates, eg hair stylists — one should charge what they think their service is worth. If no one is willing to pay the price of the service, then the service isn't worth the price — tips will just end up artificially inflating prices. Furthermore, it just rubs salt in the wound when taxes, ie VAT, are charged after tipping.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

So no tip it is

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where the fuck has $28 come from on an amount of $26.17?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

We like to be surprised by taxes at checkout when spending money rather than displaying the full price from the beginning.

It's really dumb, and it's almost certainly a psychological trick that increases sales.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I can't resist posting this comic whenever tip screens are mentioned or shown.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Christ these comments are horrifying

A few fuckers tried this on me at a restaurant in Greece last year.

The proper reaction is not to click "no tip" then cower in case someone judges you.

The proper reaction is to click "no tip" then get on every fuckin review site you can find and every social media site the restaurant is on, and leave 1-star reviews for spoiling my fucking lunch by begging for money. Put the price I pay on the menu, or fuck off.

I'll tip a max of 10% if I want to. That's generous where I am

Fuck that, your whole point of hospitality is to make me feel comfortable, not uncomfortable.

If you don't do this, you're the reason it still happens.

Incidentally, was back in Greece this year and only got harassed for a tip once. Anecdotal but hey, felt like I made a difference

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I never tipped unless out at a restaurant and I received friendly service.. but somehow I felt guilty or something when I wouldn't tip the pizza delivery guy. Even though he was from the pizza place itself.. (before doordash and stuff)

Years later I started noticing outwardly hostile behaviour if I didn't tip. Bah.

I hate the look you get when you don't do it. Which is my issue. My own. I know lots probably feel the same. I'm definitely trying to overcome that nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Tipping pizza delivery drivers is customary, and has been ever since I've been alive. They make around as much as wait staff in base-pay (minimum wage or less, depending on the state), and have to pay for their own car, gas, maintenance, etc. So, they depend on tips to survive. It's stupid and exploitative, but that's the way she goes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Better than having to select custom tip and introducing the zero manually.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

If the business is asking for a tip... It's not just for the server. Its for the business

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I live in Holland and basically only tip a small amount (like 10%) and only at restaurants. Maybe if it rains when my food is being delivered too.

Anyway.

I'm currently on business travel and happy to tip since its money from my soulless corporate employer. It's going to be a real struggle when I'm on vacation in the US though. 😆

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The new design would be hide the no tip behind some button. Here is my idea.

  • do not show no tip.
  • add a button "I am not satisfied with the service".
  • when user click "I am not satisfied with the service", make user answer 2 questions, each must more than 10 words explaining the situation.
  • add the tickbox "i will withhold my 10% tip due to bad service " default untick. (Guess what, you automatically tip 10% if you don't tick.).
  • In the process, make currently serving staff publicly apologising for giving unsatisfied service. (Make sure customer who stay in line behind the dude see that).
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

0, always 0

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

My main issue is that the default buttons start at 30%. I usually tip between 10-30% depending on service. With somewhere between 18-20% being standard.

10% be like, you didn't really do a great job but I know they're not paying you enough

15% is like, you did your job and didn't screw up in any major way, but there was nothing notable about the experience.

Around 20% being more like, you did good, thanks!

And 30% is basically for being a mind reader that can predict my every need before I have it. Things like coming by with refills before ours are empty (for things with free refills), getting condiments ready/at the table either before, or while my food arrives, etc. Along with all the "expected" kindnesses and whatnot.

Unless my experience was genuinely negative, i pretty much always leave a tip.

50% is nuts. 30% as a minimum raises a lot of concerns for me, like the person programming the payment system is somehow getting a cut.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

50%? How about I never shop here again instead, and you go fuck yourself in your own face? How about that, facefucker?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You guys STILL accept signatures? Signature for payment on cards was phased out 10 years ago in Australia.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Honestly, I don't think the signature actually does anything. Any of them that require a signature on a pad, I just do a short scribble, and it's fine. If it's a paper receipt (like at a sit-down restaurant), I usually just use my actual signature.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, make all customers touch a germy touchpad. Infect them all.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Even odds that place is commiting wage theft.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I don't mind tipping even at casual cafes and stuff because I used to work at a pizza place and the tips helped a lot. But if the LOWEST option is 30% I'm selecting no tip.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I find no need to tip for someone filling a cup of coffee and setting it on the counter. Maybe if they're making some complicated drink but even then...come on

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

You can always do "custom tip" for the standard 20%. Fuck them for starting at 30, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

for the standard 20%.

for the standard 0%.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The standard I grew up with was 15%. Excellent service got 20%. Subpar service got 10%. Horrible service got 0%.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This whole system is designed so that the public subsidizes poorly run businesses.

The only way to make it stop is to force such businesses through legislation to pay their employees more, and to do that you have to get past the "but my business will close / but they'll replace us with AI / but the market says..." crowd.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

On the other end of things, I got breakfast the other day and the options were 12% 15% 18%. I was pleasantly surprised.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

LMAO 30%?!?!

Biiiiiiiiiiiitch.

load more comments
view more: next ›