These studies really need to stop asking racists if they think they're racist.
this post was submitted on 30 Aug 2023
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That defeats the entire point of having a survey.
What are we hoping to learn here?
General opinion on the discourse around racism.
It's an interesting metric. It tells you more about the person asked than the question asked.
Do you think you're racist? I probably am, a little bit. But I end up overthinking it, like "shit, I hope that didn't seem racist."
It’s such a broad term that encompasses a lot of behaviors. From micro aggressions we don’t even realize we’ve done to outright xenophobia. Maybe this metric has some value over time.
Why? It seems useful to track
Reminds me of the constant need to check in with rural voters at a diner
If these people had anything good to say they wouldn't be in a rural diner
Those folks get to vote, too, though. So their views are relevant, no matter what you think of them.
And because of the electoral college, odds are decent that their votes count more than yours do. So actually, their views are more relevant than liberal views. Because "democracy".
We shouldn't ignore rural voters entirely (which I don't think anyone is saying). I agree that they are overrepresented and that's a major problem.
We also have places like DC and PR that basically don't get any representation. And big states often don't get nearly as much representation per population as small ones. The US is extremely undemocratic with how they chose to implement things.
Right!! So we keep putting them on TV to see what they think.
Yet they're only a fraction of the population. I'm not sure I've ever seen a segment where they interviewed urban voters. Lots of Joe the Plumber, not a lot of Jane the marketing manager
I seriously don't understand the folks who don't get this.
First we had slaves.
Well, some say, US slavery ended with the civil war.
Even IF it were reasonable to say that slavery ended and therefore the ripples it sent forward in time aren't still being felt, there are two things that are true - One: We didn't root out those who most staunchly refused to relinquish it and enact power structures to encourage equity going forward.
Well, some say, the confederate states were physically and economically destroyed by the end of the war.
And to that I say, "Andrew Johnson."
Two: We as a nation enacted laws and social norms that turned black folks into a permanent underclass, and have been dogwhistling about it for a century.
Well, some say, No we didn't.
Yes, we did. Jim Crow, separate but equal, the origin of most controversial confederate monuments and statues, the very existence of Sundown Towns, and The Negro Motorist's Green Book, the foundation of the State of Oregon, and events such as the Tulsa race massacre, are all factual details about our country.
These inflection points on our nation's psyche persisted at least through the passage of the civil rights act, and some feel Sundown Towns exist even today. These laws and social norms influenced legislative policy, police and justice department culture, and generations of Americans - both white and black people.
To deny that there is still an impact today seems willfully ignorant.
Why not both?
Edit: Didn't see that it was also a question of which is the greater problem. Overlooking is the greater problem.
In surveys like this, I find it most useful to look at what Black people think, you know? Since they’re the ones getting shot by the cops? I’m as interested in white conservatives’ views on racism as the Taliban’s views on feminism.
Words with contested meanings are also really hard to get info on through surveys. Some people are thinking structural racism, and some are thinking “public accommodations are integrated, what more could be needed.” Of course they’re going to answer differently. They’re effectively answering different questions.
The average MAGA does both.