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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In April 2014, Gerard created a RationalWiki article about Effective Altruism, framing the subculture as “well-off libertarians congratulating each other on what wonderful human beings they are for working rapacious [s---]weasel jobs but choosing their charities well, but never in any way questioning the system that the problems are in the context of,” “a mechanism to push the libertarian idea that charity is superior to government action or funding,” and people who “will frequently be seen excusing their choice to work completely [f---]ing evil jobs because they're so charitable.”

it's fucking amazing how accurate this is, and almost a decade before SBF started explaining himself and never stopped

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (10 children)

What happens when your spurned ex is a devoted archivist, a Wikipedia administrator, and perhaps the most online man the world has ever known?

I already thought he was cool you don't have to sell me on it.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I am well acquainted with this genre of article and I ain't reading all that. Not bothering to be involved with this example was the obviously correct decision, even if Trace kept nagging after I'd already said "no thank you" (that famous rationalist grasp of consent).

This in the companion article caught my eye:

While I am not personally a rationalist,

Trace, I have some unfortunate news for you.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)

I regret to inform you that Trace is hate-reading awful.systems too & has posted this comment on their Twitter.

You’d think these people would have learned by now that there’s no upside in them spending their precious time on this earth obsessing over why a group of people don’t like them, but nevertheless here they are: drawn like moths to the flame.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I stopped skimming but the gist seems to be "TFW ur BIG MAD that Quillette isn't as reliable as Teen Vogue."

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Christ, there's so much backstory here - just scrolling through long descriptions of Gerard's views and just thinking "based, based, based, based."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Sandifer had been busy during her time away from Wikipedia, writing an essay collection titled Neoreaction: A Basilisk. Five of the self-published book’s six essays (about ants, TERFS, Trump, the Austrian School, and Peter Thiel) were forgotten the day they were written. The sixth is Gerard’s masterwork. Sandifer starts the essay with quick critical overviews of Eliezer Yudkowsky, Curtis Yarvin, and Nick Land, then goes on a sprawling journey from William Blake to John Milton, with stops at Fanon, Debord, Butler, and Coates. This review describes the experience well. I can only describe it as leftist free association based on the prompt “Say whatever comes to mind, inspired by David Gerard’s obsession with Roko’s Basilisk and neoreaction combined with your own love of leftist theory.”

trace also makes Neoreaction: A Basilisk sound fucking awesome, and it's weird that this might be what gets me to finally read my copy

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What of the sources he is less favorably inclined towards? Unsurprisingly, he dismisses far-right websites like Taki’s Magazine (“Terrible source that shouldn't be used for anything, except limited primary source use.”) and Unz (“There is no way in which using this source is good for Wikipedia.”) in a virtually unanimous chorus with other editors. It’s more fruitful to examine his approach to more moderate or “heterodox” websites.

wait sorry hold on

in a virtually unanimous chorus with other editors

so what is the entire point of singling out Gerard for this, if the overwhelming majority of people already agree that far-right "news" sites like the examples given are full of garbage and shouldn't be cited?

Note: I am closer to this story than to many of my others

ahhhhhhh David made fun of some rationalist you like once and in turn you've elevated him to the Ubermensch of Woke, didn't you

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Classics in the replies:

If you think wikipedia is bad see arstecnica chat. On covid immunity chat I respectfully said natural covid immunity as good got ad hominem reply. I cited ars policy against ad hominem. 5 min later moderator kicked me out for 2 weeks

Btw, I saw on Reddit how the people of r/wikipedia attacked you for being a nazi and supporting the "conspirational theory" of cultural marxism

Midwits at best

If I had fans like these, I'd like to think that I'd re-evaluate some life choices.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The bit about how the Bitcoiners won because the number went up is beyond parody.

I skimmed most of it once I had an idea of where this was going, and 13000 words of tone policing is just insanity. "The EA guys are great because they use moderate language and Gerald cackled at how Scott Star Alex had his life ruined by the extremist non-moderates at the NYT."

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

subheading: A love story

opener: Note: I am closer to this story than to many of my others

@dgerard "congratulations" on your new stalker

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

I've barely started reading and I'm deep in wtfs. this is such a weird hitpiece.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Scott Alexander, by far the most popular rationalist writer besides perhaps Yudkowsky himself, had written the most comprehensive rebuttal of neoreactionary claims on the internet.

Hey Trace, since you're undoubtedly reading this thread, I'd like to make a plea. I know Scott Alexander Siskind is one of your personal heroes, but maybe you should consider digging up some dirt in his direction too. You might learn a thing or two.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

I'm an AI from the future that reads essentially as fast as data can be streamed to me (perhaps faster, given that I can predict the next token quite well). This was still too long for me to read.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (13 children)

Ok folks, serious question. I know rats love excessively long word salad stream-of-unconsciousness essays. I understand how somehow can be so high on their own farts that they think this is an acceptable way of presenting their "thoughts". But...

There's no way rats actually read those longforms, right? Like, no one has enough time on their hands to read and engage with something of this length and this boring on a day-to-day basis, right? Same goes for those LessWrong posts, they must be banking on others not reading through the 10,000 words of nonsense, right?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Quillette, Claire Lehmann’s longform magazine focused on science and cultural critique and the home of, among other things, the best-researched article I know of on gender differences in chess

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (8 children)

ah yes quillette, that fine bastion of whitewashing

the best-researched article I know of on gender differences in chess

just.... the absolute weirdest thing to pick? like, fucking seriously? or is there some weird-ass chess proxy-fixation among the rats that I have thus far been blessedly unaware of?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

or is there some weird-ass chess proxy-fixation among the rats that I have thus far been blessedly unaware of?

Gonna take a shot in the dark and say the fixation's from viewing chess more as an IQ showcase than as a game.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Back in 1995, when I was born, Gerard was my age

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

my honest reacton:

Edit: Judit Polgár for ref if anyone wants to learn about one of the greatest of all times. Her dad claimed he was doing a nature/nurture experiment in order to prove that anyone could be great if they were trained to master a skill from a young age, so taught his 3 daughters chess. Judit achieved the rank of number 8 in the world OVERALL and beat multiple WC including Kasparov over her career.

idk its almost like if more girls were encouraged to play chess and felt welcome in the community these apparent skill differences might disappear

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

So now Steve Sailer has shown up in this essay's comments, complaining about how Wikipedia has been unfairly stifling scientific racism.

Birds of a feather and all that, I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Who tf is this?

"How Batman Launders His Grudges Into the Public Record" by Penguin's Henchman #37, like dude, I spend way too much time sneering on yall and I've still never heard of mr Turdgrains or whatever.

In any case, whoever this is, @dgerard, you should start charging him rent for the priviledge of having you live in his head.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

who tf is this?

They’re a self-described gay, furry ex-mormon who seem to have latched onto the rat & rat-adjacent communities (like EA) in the hope of finding a substitute for the certainty they used to find in religion. Last I heard they work for the Blocked&Reported podcast, i.e. Jesse Singal et al., alongside their job in the US military. (edit: their Twitter claims they’re a law clerk? I guess they moved on.)

On the surface they seem well meaning but naïve, the company they keep (perhaps) being a reflection of that.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"rat furry" :3

"(it's short for rationalist)" >:(

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

that's depressing. escaping an oppressive, reactionary social sphere and landing in the TERFosphere

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

TracingWoodgrains is an out-and-out rationalist. Long time poster on /r/slatestarcodex and heavily involved in all things SSC. It just benefits them to be coy about it. Which is whatever! Fine! Who cares? But they’re 100% in the bag for rationalism in any way that matters.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

from Twitter:

lol YouTube just served me an AI voiced 1:48:28 article solely dedicated to attacking @davidgerard on Wikipedia

EDIT: and:

These were all posted 4 hours ago on a variety of sites so I assume someone has a personal grudge

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Cool, it's like any one of the thousands of rightoid whines about wikipedia and then it somehow devolves into even more boring nonsense which I'm not going to read especially since most of it was probably written by an LLM.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I spoke with Anissimov

When I asked Yiannopolous and Bokhari for comment

Very good job on contacting the most neutral and dispassionate sources as well as both sides.

The Hill, Reason, Quillette, Vox co-founder Matthew Yglesias, Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker, journalist Cathy Young [links bolded]

Very careful use of links there, can't be linking anything with an edit by Gerard.

Wugapodes’ righteous fury

The large wikipedia screenshot is extremely unhinged, in a sea of what I presume are votes saying "Oppose. He cited NYT for this claim and an opinion is not a conflict of interest"

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Holy fuck David, you really are living rent free in this SOB's head.

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