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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The last time we filled the streets we wanted police reform and didn't get it.

The time before that it was to protest a war that happened anyway.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not only did we not get police reform, we got a cop as a democratic vice president.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Yes, top cop Kamala. And now they’re threatening to roll with her if Biden has to step down. We’re doomed.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (10 children)

You want the actual answer? Because the Democratic Party has spent the last decade torpedoing non-establishment candidates. They killed off other candidates even running in this primary, and shut down several primaries entirely. Why would we waste our time?

And let’s be honest, let’s say that now the DNC appoints a new candidate, like they legally can do, it’s not going to be an AOC or someone even slightly to the left like Warren. It’s going to be another neoliberal like Buttigeig who will continue to Biden’s legacy of absolute mediocrity and screwing over the American people in the name of “freedom”.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

This is 100% correct.

Small thing to add - we’re also in the midst of a devastating heat wave across most of the US at this moment. Taking to the streets isn’t exactly an accessible option right now, but anyone who has been remotely engaged in online discourse should be well aware of voters’ discontent with Biden and the status quo. They certainly won’t be discussing it on MSNBC however.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I mean, they packed university campuses across the country and then the riot police went in. What kind of goldfish memory is this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because, as the sitting President, the only person who can make that decision is Biden. It literally does not matter what anyone else says or does.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

And Biden has shown complete contempt for public sentiment, not just on this topic but throughout his term.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I want to retire. I am sick of this country being run by workaholics. I want it to be run by people planning on not working themselves into the fucking grave, and expecting the rest of us to do so as well.

57 years is the oldest a candidate should be for a first-term presidency. 61 for a second term. If they still want to play politics, they can take a position in their local HOA.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I got work. Like 6 hours of meetings a day. With what energy would I use to 'go to the streets' to ask an old fuck who definitely can't hear me to please retire. I don't think he will hear me or care.

I'll still vote for him I guess. Better Biden than the career criminal maniac.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

*Career criminal maniac child rapist.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Because that's not a thing and never has been? Find me any large scale protests in the history of the US where they were protesting a candidate prior to an election.

There's not a single liberal or leftist (a few paid shill podcasters notwithstanding) in the whole country saying "Joe Biden's brain is so soupy that Donald Trump would make a better president." We're saying Democrat leadership suppressed the primary to anoint an incumbent who's going to lose. Democracy is on the line, and we're running out of time to put our best foot forward. It'd be one thing if we were getting honest and reasonable arguments in response, but instead we're getting gaslit (Only the elites want Biden to step aside?) and being told "get in line or you're helping Trump somehow. " Meanwhile, Republicans are preparing to sue to keep Biden on the ballot in the event of a switch, because they know who they want to run against.

I hope I'm wrong and I hope he wins, since we're probably stuck with him on the ticket. Given that he's down 12 points from where he was in 2020 against Trump, where the swing states that gave Biden the election were only fractions of a percent in his favor, it's gonna take some kind of miracle. We don't have to be in this seemingly hopeless situation, but Biden's ego and stubbornness seem like they're gonna keep us here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Historically protests are at the convention when the unpopular candidate is named.

Then the people who named the unpopular candidate blame the protests for the loss

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

People love to blame the people who make noise to warn about loss.

Cassandra of Greek legend was less cursed cause of a god but because no one wants to hear someone else be right about something they don't want to accept.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly. The number of people just on this platform saying "nobody thinks biden should drop, you're wrong, you have no right to be upset with Biden's team, and anyone who says otherwise is a bot" is seriously making me wonder if that narrative itself is the one being pushed by bots to sow discord between us. Who honestly jumps directly to "bot or stupid, no other possible explanation" when they disagree with an opinion so clearly held by a substantial number of people with nuanced opinions.

Anyone paying attention would see that Biden, having won on razor margins in 2020, on promises of being a 1-term president, could not afford to lose ANY ground in democratic turnout. Every feeler they put out is coming back showing we have lost that ground substantially and Biden is utterly unable to campaign to gain it back. Anyone can be not Trump, not everyone can run an energetic campaign on their own merits, and that is overwhelmingly what motivates people to turn out to vote.

It's not a difficult connection to make and the assumption that bots would be the only ones to make an argument to replace Biden, after they ran a "primary" in which they hid Biden away from us and didn't let even anyone remotely viable run, is just such an uninformed and arrogant viewpoint to witness in such droves that I hardly believe it's real.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They don't have or need good arguments, they just need to run out the clock until "It's too late to change" becomes a legitimate argument.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I seriously wonder the same thing. People panicking and the response being to the people panicking
"don't worry no one is panicking cause he's a good pick"
feels like the psyop that helps the Republicans win.

I know it's just willful ignorance because they find this easier and less scary but like.... Are they just Trumpies?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree with this message, but the 1968 Democratic National Convention protests were in part due to the nomination of Hubert Humphrey.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Because it is largely disinformation and people are being paid to write articles on it or claim such behind closed doors but not publicly

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wait a minute that seems like evidence the large majority of Democrats don't feel he 'must step aside!' No, that can't be it...maybe they're just stupid?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Because we don't want to get shot again by the cops the Democrats pretended to defend before saying they were needed to enforce order.

Plus working to death to afford to run air conditioning to not die in the apocalyptic climate change heat waves.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah. It's all good 👍. Just find a young candidate next time. Like 30 years old please. If it's another 70 year old white guy, I'm gonna be royally pissed for sure.

Right now I'm just annoyed so I'm not leaving my job just to get shot by the police as they are trained to do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Minimum age to be president is 35, it would take an amendment to change that, and if we are going to burn the resources to get an amendment passed that's way down the list of things we need to fix.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Because it’s hot outside.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

It's a right wing battle cry to inspire division

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

There isn't any alternative stepping up. Who do we rally behind as the replacement? No one?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Because this isn't about a massive movement. This is about the roughly 100,000 people in battleground states who will decide the election.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

um because folks like me are fine with him as the rep and I don't see any replacement as being any more viable.

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