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Trump lied and Biden got tongue tied at the first debate. So why is the world only focusing on one?
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Because nothing about Trump has changed.
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Yea. I'm not from the US (so an outsider's and probably naive perspective) ...
but the whole Biden thing seems off. Trump is a known quantity. The point of his running, at a basic level and besides vengeance, is to try the MAGA thing again without COVID "interfering". Also, if you think back to the 2020 Dem primaries, where no one was really happy with any candidate and many were asking of the Dems "is that the best you've got" ... a Trump sequel is kinda republicans forcing that question again.
As for all of the attention ... well there's a lot on the line here: Trump's a known quantity ... so, Dems, how you going to defeat him this time? Because ... if you lose to Trump, twice, both times by standing by a party elder ... that's maybe "shame on you". Moreover, we all knew Biden was old. A single term was sorta, kinda part of the deal because of that (remember, he wasn't doing well in the primaries, he never has really). So, has a bargain been broken here? A gamble lost? A mistake, perhaps all the way back in 2020 but certainly behind the decision to run again, come to fruition?
Beyond all of that ... I thought excessive media attention on Trump and the free publicity he gets was a bad thing (he's probably jealous about Biden's media attention lol)?
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Because literally nobody is suprised by trump as this point. We all know what he is at this point. Biden popped the fascade that has been carefully crafted to keep us all thinking he was doing alright despite being old as fuck.
100%. People want to act like it was a "bad debate performance" but it was absolutely eye opening to the american people. Its not about who won or lost a debate.
And it's not like it's the first of those incidents. He fell off his bike, tripped getting on air force one, had a bunch of press conferences where he did the trailing off in the middle of his answer thing, etc.
And this isn't the only person democrats did this with either. They enabled Dianne Feinstein to run for reelection despite her being at deaths door, there's the RBG debacle, etc.
Democrats need to get better at refreshing the old guard. The only one that did it kind of right is Nancy Pelosi: groom a successor and step aside when the time is right.
How many people who previously hadn't been paying attention to the race tuned in and saw the same deterioration they've watched in their own parents and grandparents?
[Donald Trump] May Not Be Good for America, but [He's] Damn Good for CBS”
-CBS CEO Les Moonves, 2/29/16
And nothing has changed since.
Because everyone knows that Trump is garbage and republicans are complicit. We're hoping Democrats will challenge Biden
Billionaires own all the news outlets
We already know trump sucks. He shouldn't be running for pres, he should probably be in prison. We're focusing on biden because he's also unfit, and we're afraid he can't beat trump. This isn't rocket surgery.
Democrats tell us democracy is on the line and many people including myself believe it, but then they push a weak candidate likely to lose merely because his team has lined their pockets with corporate donations and pledged allegiance to Israel. Democrats need to decide if democracy is on the line, or if they lie to their voters and don't care if Trump wins.
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The billionaire owners of the media have a vested interest in Trump’s agenda
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Because Trump did nothing unexpected for him - if anything he was more restrained than usual - but Biden is showing greater signs of senility. News reports things that are new, more at 11.
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Somebody should plot a chart of media company revenues vs. political candidates and compare it with the stories they run.
I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect there may be some cross-correlation.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Here’s a summary: Not only did Trump repeatedly lie, but he also delivered nonsensical responses and non-answers lacking any insight into his policy plans.
For example, when moderator Jake Tapper asked what he would do to make child care more affordable, the presumptive GOP nominee initially dodged the question.
Later, when Trump was given an opportunity at the debate to address voter concerns over his mental fitness, the 77-year-old offered two points to alleviate the public’s fears.
Also of concern on the debate stage, Trump didn’t commit to unconditionally accepting the election results and underscored his intentions to seek political retribution.
Commentator Kaivan Shroff remarked that the media has chosen to “ignore Trump being a convicted felon, racist, nutjob, etc” while journalist Sophia Nelson said on CNN that she believed it’s fair to question Biden after his performance, but warned of the “pile-on” against him.
“It’s frankly astonishing that we have no less than eight op-ed pieces calling for Biden to drop out after a bad debate, but we had zero after any one of Trump’s convictions,” journalist Victoria Brownworth wrote.
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Biden didn't get tongue tied. He couldn't form complete sentences and kept losing his train of thought. Look at his videos from 2019. He was talking just fine, but still was a gaff machine.
And Biden didn't even have the awareness to push back on the lies! He fucking argued with him over fucking Golf!
The people voting Trump like that about him. Stop pretending like they're after the same voters, they're not.
"Tongue tied"
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Nobody expected anything else of Trump. Him lying is no longer news. It's just how it is.
John Stuart said it best - Trump meet everyone's expectations of him. His followers are either deranged or are just exploiting his madness. Biden was the one with something to prove and he ducking blew it.
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MAGA will vote for Trump no matter what. Democrats would rather vote for a corpse than vote for Trump. Which means we don't need Biden to save democracy: anyone will do.
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Because everyone knew Trump would lie constantly, that's all he ever does. Biden used to be an eloquent, confident public speaker, but that has changed drastically in the last 4 years. We also know that reporting on Trump's lies doesn't slow or stop them and definitely doesn't change his supporters' minds. If anything, reporting constantly on the lies he tells just gives him more screen-time to spread them. Also, the world really needs Trump to lose, so if the only guy available to do so is seemingly physically unable, it makes sense to talk about options.
Because one was par for the course while the other was very unexpected.
Person 1 who missed the debate: How'd the debate go?
Person 2 who watched it: Well Trump lied thru his teeth for every answer.
Person 1 sarcastically: Wow what a shocker 🙄 and how did Biden do?
Person 2: Well he answered the question about abortion by ranting about an immigrant woman dying at the border.
Well he answered the question about abortion by ranting about an immigrant woman dying at the border.
No no. Far worse.
How an immigrant murdered this woman who was pregnant. And that there's lots of it. Maybe? And then rambling about women being raped all the time by their family.
But at least that was before they both started arguing just fine about golf handicaps.
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